652
Rule (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
submitted 5 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[-] [email protected] 56 points 5 months ago

The cure to transphobia comes in 50 caliber doses

[-] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago

ugh i don’t really like this comment :(

a) that’s a pesticide sprayer, not a gun

b) the cure to violent transphobia for sure is violence.

but the cure to transphobia, in general?

idk. i have loved ones who used to be worse and gradually came around just by living and knowing trans people? what if they got shot 25 years ago?

no hate to you as a commenter bc it seems you are just repeating a common phrase, but i don’t like how this comment moves the narrative so far beyond. idk, i don’t really like this comment but i don’t want to invalidate the anger, fear and genuine need for change that is behind it. i’m sorry if my perspective is ignorant.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

i like to posit that the cure to stupidity comes in death.

That saying has a myriad of flexible interpretations, it's fun.

[-] [email protected] 38 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Fascism will exterminate itself. It's an auto-cannibalistic ideology.

To the Nazi mind, society is like the rings on a tree with the "pure" and "deserving" being at the core. The outer most layer will always be the "other" and the "enemy". So as each enemy is defeated, the field narrows until the end where they'd be two Nazis left trying to kill each other.

Viewed in this light, anti-Fascist skull crushing is benevolent.

[-] [email protected] 27 points 5 months ago

I don't disagree with you, but I think what you wrote only applies to fascism in a vacuum or a very late stage of fascism where all the outsiders were eliminated. Basicaly, if we're at the point where fascists started devouring themself it's already game over, because everything else is destroyed. And I don't like the sentence "Fascism will exterminate itself" because it implies all we need to do is wait (even though I don't think you mean that). Fascism needs a helping hand to achieve it's end goal (exterminating itself; please, don't ban me mods lol).

[-] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

That mentality is surely broader than fascism itself. You see it in any hypernationalist state. Rome had "the barbarians." The British Empire had "the savages." Nazi Germany had "the jews." There is always an "other" when the state needs it. Unless you're painting a broader form of fascism, perhaps.

[-] [email protected] 31 points 5 months ago

Well... the gruesome thing is: It will exterminate itself in the same way the plague exterminated itself in Europe. Eventually, all the fascism will lead to a myriad of wars and genocides in which fascism will eventually die. Along billions of people.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago
[-] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

honestly if the fascists got their way we would probably eventually see everyone dead but a few bankers or something

[-] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

that would still be billions.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

i doubt there are a few billion bankers

[-] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

How about we start exterminating it right now to prevent the deaths of billions, at the low low cost of a couple of fascist's lifes? All in favour?

[-] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago

This is the energy we all need. Right now.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago

Here are the things that get you banned:

  • authoritarian behavior
[-] [email protected] 36 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.

The only thing I can come up with is you're defending people's personal freedom to be fascists?

[-] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago
[-] [email protected] 28 points 5 months ago

If your opposed to calls to violence against those that are trying to take away trans rights that's fine. I'm just curious about calling authoritarianism.

In calling for violence against fascists...who's authority are we upholding?

[-] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Enforcing your preferred kind of politics with guns sounds like a bad idea. I’m German, we did that a few times in our history.

[-] [email protected] 36 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Wait... I'm sorry I have to respond again because this really just hit me. Did you really use GERMANY as an example of why you SHOULD NOT stand up to facisim with violence? GERMANY???

How did letting the facisim play out for ya there champ?

[-] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

The street fights in 1932 did not do much to prevent fascism, to say the least.

[-] [email protected] 25 points 5 months ago

Sounds like they should have tried harder.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

Sounds like they should've had guns

[-] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago
[-] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago

Yet here you are saying if you stand up to fascism with violence you're being authoritative.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Because my country has seen what happens when political disagreements are fought out in months of street battles.

[-] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago

And the world has seen what happens because you gave up on those fights.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

The street fights in 1932 did not do much to prevent fascism, to say the least.

Yes they did.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

1933 would like to ask a question or two about that.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago

I wouldn't be so proudly proclaiming "I'm German" as if that gives you automatic and universal knowledge, or authority, if you'd like, on, well, anything, if I were you, instead I'd get out of the way, humble myself, and go study some history.

"Only one thing could have stopped our movement – if our adversaries had understood its principle and from the first day smashed with the utmost brutality the nucleus of our new movement." -Adolf Hitler

[-] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Oi, can you perhaps not ask for humility and then condescendingly lecture other people about the history of their Nations? Thanks.

I bet you know about the armed conflicts in the streets of Germany before the Nazis were elected into power and the role of the SA, right? And you know that what's was implied here was that the Weimarer Republik tried to "reign in" the Nazis instead of opposing them openly, especially the catholic Zentrum party. And you know that behind the war-like rhetoric of Hitler there is usually a kernel of political nature, and his warmongering style is identical if he talks about real armed conflict or political stuff, right?

You know all that so you can lecture Germans on German history, right?... Right?

Stepping out of the way is the exact opposite of what should be done. This may never happen ever again.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

having interacted with an austrian, whom i refer to as german on the regular (it's an ongoing joke) It's almost like that one time that one thing happened is a part of every german/austrias personality now. That explicit kind of speech is so heavily regulated that even merely mentioning it i've been yelled at before.

It's kind of like living somewhere where a mass shooting has happened, that you were tangentially related to. Nobody talks about it. But also everybody knows about it.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago

Sure. That's fine. I'm questioning how you call that authoritism. Would you call the black panthers this? After all they certainly did some violent things during the civil rights movements.

What about the IRA?

[-] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago

Combating fascism at embracing it are two wildly different things, any appearance otherwise is simply superficial

[-] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

Enforcing your preferred kind of politics with guns sounds like a bad idea. I’m German, we did that a few times in our history.

Yeah, and people with guns fucking stopped you.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

it's a paradox by nature, either you let them take rule, and then you get a german history moment, or you forcibly oust them, which is also kind of tangential to said german history moment.

I suppose it's a question of which you value more, and how many of your people are ok with it.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

in essence, that statement essentially says "you can listen to authority, and have to follow them, however, in exchange for that trade off, you no longer have the personal freedom of not doing that"

[-] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago

Have tolerant people to be tolerant towards the intolerant? This question has claimed the coherence of so many philosopher's brains. Poor souls.

[-] [email protected] 25 points 5 months ago

The "paradox of tolerance" has never legitimately stumped anyone. The initial act of intolerance broke the social contract, thus removing their right to tolerance themselves.

[-] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago

If only someone had taught them about social contracts, which only conditionally requires us to tolerate people so long as they tolerate us.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

this is my favorite philosophical fact. You can only have a defined definition if that definition excludes things, otherwise it is not appropriately defined. And therefore broad.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

This seems fine.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago

Just load the sprayer with hormones and see how things turn out

[-] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

Dale Gribble would definitely be all about Alex Jones and Q-Anon

[-] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

Too bad America has 2 of them as options

[-] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

Two far right one party authoritarian nationalist with a dictatorsl?

load more comments
view more: next ›
this post was submitted on 25 Mar 2024
652 points (100.0% liked)

196

16243 readers
2208 users here now

Be sure to follow the rule before you head out.

Rule: You must post before you leave.

^other^ ^rules^

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS