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submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

A stupid toilet joke from another post, a snow day, and a stronger edible than I was expecting got me wondering: have we ever seen a 24th century Starfleet toilet, and how would it function?

Edit: I meant 24th century / 2300's and not 23rd century.

Background

I know we've seen the sonic showers which seem to operate similar to, but also different from, a regular shower, but I don't ever recall seeing any other typical bathroom fixtures in the 24th century Starfleet vessels (well, mirrors still seem to be just mirrors, so there's that)

The only references I saw on Memory Alpha for the 24th century were:

  • A very blurry, zoomed-in shot of a section of the Enterprise-D when the Borg cut away a section of it.
  • Lower Decks where Boimler drops his tricorder in the toilet (Note: I am in-between P+ subscriptions until Disco comes back, so I can't reference the episode for evidence)
  • Various references to "waste extraction" on vessels of other civilizations

A very blurry shot of what Memory Alpha claims is a toilet on the Enterprise-D

A very blurry shot of what Memory Alpha claims is a toilet on the Enterprise-D

For the purposes of this episode of Shitty Daystrom, we'll only focus on Starfleet's facilities.

Would toilets still be the same as we know them, familiar but different, or something more exotic?

Option 1: Same As We Know Them

Without any evidence to the contrary, it would be relatively safe to assume nothing has really changed on that front between now and the 24th century. Furthermore, water conservation isn't much of a concern due to replicators existing. The waste would be carried via sewer pipes, similar to what we have now, to a waste reclamation system (which may operate differently but do the same thing as treatment plants we have now).

Evidence for this includes VOY: Projections where "sewage and waste reclamation" was a system that was reported to be offline when the computer was queried for a status update. While the episode existed in a malfunctioning holodeck program, there's no reason to assume those systems don't exist on the real ships.

I'm not a fan of this assumption since it would imply a huge lack of innovation and would be generally inefficient given other technological advances at their disposal. The supporting evidence is also vague in that it doesn't specify whether "sewage and waste reclamation" was a central or distributed system.

Option 2: Familiar But Different

As mentioned above, "sewage and waste reclamation" is a subsystem that exists on Starfleet ships. In this model, rather than being a centralized system like a treatment plant, it would be a distributed system.

The restroom fixtures would remain more or less familiar to what we have now, but instead of physically carrying the effluent away for central processing, they would simply dematerialize it and reclaim the energy (like putting your dirty dishes back into the replicator). This would simplify the engineering requirements and reduce mass since the EPS network is readily available; no extra pipes would need to traverse the ship.

Alternatively, instead of directly converting it from matter to energy, it's beamed from the fixture into a central processing unit. That seems inefficient to me because of the extra and unnecessary step of re-materializing it.

Option 3: Something Completely Exotic

I grant that this one is more of a stretch, but bear with me. Instead of anything we're familiar with, it would simply be a special type of transporter which locks onto your waste and just beams it out of you. From there, it's either immediately reclaimed as energy and stored or transported to a central processing unit for bulk conversion.

As said earlier, this theory is a bit out there, but with the one-piece uniforms, I can see how they would be practical.

Conclusion

Without the ability to reference the Lower Decks episode 'Grounded' for possible additional evidence, I'm going to stick with my personal head-canon of Option #2 as the standard Starfleet waste reclamation method. The reasoning is based on how I see the available technology being best utilized and the efficiency at which that method would operate.

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[-] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago

We saw one in Star Trek V when Kirk, Spock, and bones are put in the brig of the enterprise – a. Kirk pushes a button and it slides out and he sits on it. But the lid is down, and thankfully, he doesn’t use it. It kind of looks like a normal toilet. That’s all we know. 

[-] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

Yeah, I did see that on Memory Alpha, which I assumed were basically option 1 as described above. That's why I was asking about 24th century ones since we have even less to go on. I did confuse 2300's and 23rd century, so I had to go back and fix the post 🤦‍♂️

[-] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

God, that must have been so embarrassing.

So, what about Klingons? Do they use TP, or just live up to their name?

[-] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Perhaps surprisingly, bidets. Like, full-on Japanese style with heated water and deoderizers and whatnot.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

It is a surprise only to you, human.

A warrior must go to battle... fresh!

[-] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Asking the real questions here. Going to say yes to TP but they don't wash their hands.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

To be fair (and pedantic) that is a 23rd century toilet.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I commented before OP edited his title and post. Originally, he was asking about a 23rd century toilet.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Yep, that's on me. I confused 2300's with 23rd century and had to go back and fix that.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Replicators aren't energy-to-matter (or vise-versa), they're matter-to-energy-to-matter. They pull from stocks of base molecules and convert them into food (or whatever) form using stored patterns. According to MA:

Federation replicators often recycled waste produced by living beings – including fecal material – to provide the raw material for replicators. Such material was deconstructed down to the atomic level, and then recombined as needed into foodstuffs and other products.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

Meaning that you're getting a literal shit sandwich for dinner. :-)

[-] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Good catch.

I guess that really wouldn't change the overall operation as described above, just the specifics of what processes happen when you "flush".

[-] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

The thing that happens earlier is simple too. You shit where they place used plates back.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago

I think they just shit on the transporter pad and beam it into space. I'm pretty sure OBrien transports poop places as a joke.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago

Between Keiko, the demands of an engineer, and being the resident poop transporter, it's hard to blame him for going mad with power.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

Knowing how they use transporters to move items around all over the place, including small items onto the surface of a planet .... I'm now imagining the entire crew just pissing and shitting everywhere and anywhere on the ship and then just calling O'Brien to get rid of the mess.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

The wizard approach

[-] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago

You left out a reference.

Kirk sitting on the brig toilet in TMP.

The context of the scene makes it clear what he's sitting on.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

Heh, yeah. I screwed up and posted "23rd" century when I meant the late 2300's (24th century) / TNG era. I had to update the post later to reflect that.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

Oops, sorry. Missed the update.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Now I want to know why it can't be used in spacedock (unless it's exactly why I think)

[-] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

You don't want to know the kind of stuff that infests a spacedock that might come up that access port.

(Which is another good Shitty Daystrom question- how is everything in the Federation, tribbles being the rare exception, mostly pest free?)

[-] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

That's a good shout for any lurking SNW writers. Though I expect it's already up on a proverbial whiteboard somewhere. A comic (or otherwise, but I'm sure they'd get a couple of jokes in, regardless) pest infestation plot seems right up their alley. Tribbles with a twist.

E: Affer a moment's thought, this seems like something Lower Decks has definitely explored, but I'm not as caught up on it as I should be.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

I have also not seen all of LD, so I don't know, but if they do, they should also point out that almost every planet they go to is almost totally free of small flying creatures like bugs.

I mean sure, Risa killed them all off because they interfered with people's vacations, but even the never before visited but almost exactly like Earth planets have no bugs.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Kirk sitting on the brig toilet in TMP.

Final Frontier, actually. Though I understand forgetting that film. I would prefer to.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago

Do they still use the three shells in the 24th century?

[-] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

I've always been a fan of the "It gets beamed out of them" theory. If the transporter malfunctions it's completely possible to shit someone elses pants.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

I think O'Brien does a site-to-site transport into the ensigns' quarters.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

I'd say bidets, but I remember something about sonic showers. So I'll go with sonic bidet.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Maybe they use the 3 seashells?

[-] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

From TNG onwards we've seen a grand total of one toilet, and that was in Q-who

The borg stole it.

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