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[–] [email protected] 96 points 9 months ago (1 children)

For those of us living after the 19th century 55 degrees is the amount of time to start killing pathogens, 60 ℃ needed to take 35 minutes, down to 14 minutes at 63 ℃, 66 ℃ is 5 min, 69 ℃ is 1 min, 72 ℃ is just half a minute, and 74 ℃ is instantaneous.

Probably worth adding that just putting a piece of chicken in the oven at 100 ℃ is obviously not going to kill all bacteria. It takes time for the heat to be transferred from the oven to the room-temperature (or colder) internals of the chicken.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I read this to mean the temperature using a meat thermometer, poking it in the thickest part.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

Yeah exactly, that would be correct. The need to do something like that was what I was trying to point to.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 9 months ago

Keep in mind that this graph shows core temperature. It is obvious to most but it should be written down.

Don't want someone with little to no cooking experience look at this chart and put his huge turkey for a couple of seconds in the oven at 165°F / 74°C 😅

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Real talk, “pasteurize” is the stupidest most misaligned word that could have possibly been used for the process of sterilizing via heat.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 9 months ago (2 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Pasteur

It's named after the inventor of the process though. Heat things to kill bacteria.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Oh that makes sense

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Oh that makes sense

[–] [email protected] 30 points 9 months ago (2 children)

It should be "Pasteurize", as it's named after Louis Pasteur. And the specific process he invented dramatically increases the shelf life of milk using very high temperatures for a very short time.... Without changing the milk texture or cooking it very much.

So pasteurization is a process that sterilises did with heat. But I don't think it works on meat.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago

Really? Why?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Pasteurized products are not sterile.

Sterilization should only be used to describe processes that leave no living microorganisms or fruitable spores behind.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What is that in a normal unit?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

74.00C for 0.0 metric minutes

71.11C for 0.5 metric minute

68.33C for 1.0 metric minute

65.55C for 5.0 metric minutes

62.77C for 14.0 metric minutes

60.00C for 35.0 metric minutes

~58.33C for 82.0 metric minutes

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (6 children)

My friend, you have no idea how much time I have spent searching for something like this on google. This is incredibly useful. I have saved this to my camera roll.

Naturally searching anything with “chicken” and “cook” present returns hundreds of recipe websites or food safety “articles” that all copy and paste “the fda says 165” with no further thought.

I knew a chart like this must exist, but had given up the search. Sincerely, thank you.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Look up sous vide cooking times, those people are obsessed with finding the minimum amount of time to cook any given thing at any given temperature. "If you're willing to cook your chicken for 4 hours, you can cook at 130 F. I don't recommend it, because it has the texture of raw chicken, but you can."

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Not OP but it warms my heart (though not enough to pasteurized it) to see that some good can come out of shitposting after all.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

I just don’t want my homies to get salmonella

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

https://douglasbaldwin.com/sous-vide.html

This is the site you want. While it focuses on sous vide, the temp charts will still work for any oven or grill or anything.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

If you wait to pull your chicken off until you confirm a 165F internal it's already over cooked 😭

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I'm a poultrologist, and you should all be aware that this kills the chicken.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Then you have poultrygeists

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Another EGG?! Where the FUCK do these keep coming from?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm a poultronomist and it's fine. The chicken is comfortable throughout the procedure.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago

Can someone translate from freedom into logical

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm finding the way the points and the y-axis are lining up to be, dare I say, mildly infuriating. Why is 82 at 70? Why is 0 not at 0?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

So how hard do I need to slap it to get it to that temp internally?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Not that hard you just have to do it 135000 times.

https://youtu.be/LHFhnnTWMgI

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

soooo what you're saying, is that if I fly my turkey into the sun it will be pausterized in 3^n-36 milliseconds?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

But how many ounces per stone in a tenday is that?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Life hack: if you don't eat meat you don't need to worry about meatborne illnesses.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yep, then all you have to worry about is non-meatborne illnesses.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Until it gets on your salad

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

so the bird needs to hit that temp before the clock starts, right?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Yes, the center of the meat

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I do not eat chicken but thank you for this information!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I do eat chicken, but thanks for your information!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I do eat information, but thank you for this chicken

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I do thank chickens, but eat you for this information.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

I do information thanks, but chicken you for this eat.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Thank you for thanking me for my thankfulness!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (9 children)

Not very helpful for real world cooking.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Well, one could probably deduce that a lower internal temperature than the instant point is sufficient to cook chicken, and use that in combination with a thermometer when cooking chicken.

In fact, that's what I've done after learning this, bringing my chicken breasts only up to ~68 C (~155 F), resulting in a vastly more enjoyable chicken breast.

So I'd argue the opposite - this is very helpful for real world cooking.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Yes it's a lot more helpful to know that if my bird sits on the grill at 155 for a minute - I can eat it. Is way more useful than knowing I need to crank it, and dry it out to get to a mythical 165.

I've had the jump from 160 to 165 take 3 minutes for whatever reason. It was already done in 30 seconds! That's nice to know

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Actually super useful if you don’t like dry chicken but don’t want people getting sick. Even roasting in the oven. Better for beef honestly but, point still stands.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It’s not helpful because this is the internal temperature requirement. You can’t just stick a chicken in the oven at 135 for an hour and a half and have it be safe to eat. The clock doesn’t start until the internal temperature hits 135.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

That is what a meat thermometer is for

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

I use these curves for real world cooking constantly, both sous vide and other methods. Why wouldn't this be useful for real world cooking?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Maybe more useful for sous vide. Not a big fan of putting food in hot bags of plastic, though.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

You can do it simply with a Sous Vide. However chicken cooked at low temp, while safe to eat, is texturally unappealing.

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