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NGL, not asking for a friend. Given the current trends in US politics, it seems prudent to at least look into it.

Most of the online content on the topic seems to be by immigration attorneys hustling ultra rich people. I'm not ultra rich. I have a job in tech, could work remotely, also have enough assets to not desperately need money if the cost of living were low enough.

I am a native English speaker, fluent enough in Spanish to survive in a Spanish speaking country. I am old, male, cis, hetero, basically asexual at this point. I am outgoing, comfortable among strangers.

What's good and bad about where you live? Would it be OK for a outsider, newcomer?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Canadian Here. prior to the election? we'd be welcoming. now? there seems to be a general sense of "we don't what that idiocy here" the right-wing cons of Canada would likely embrace Americans but the general consensus with my friends and family is that Americans are now considered morons (left and right leaning).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 42 minutes ago

But wouldn't you want the ones who would uproot their lives because Trump was elected? It's the ones who voted for him that you wouldn't want. If anything, Canada could use all the non-maga you can get.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

The Netherlands is generally quite friendly towards (English speaking) immigrants and expats. Almost everyone speaks English and no one really bats an eye at a non-Dutch resident in most of the major western cities (Amsterdam, Rotterdam, the Hague, etc.)
Housing is terrible though, prices are high and it'll be hard to find something nice. One advantage for you (or any US resident), is that you're exempt from the inburgering exam. Which means that you won't have to learn the language and won't be tested on your integration in Dutch society.

My partner is from abroad and they've experienced living here as quite pleasant. They weren't exempt from the exam though (different non-EU nationality), which was a bit of a nuisance. But in general, reception was positive. They've been living here for over 16 years now.
But like most of Europe, we've got a far-right government right now, so there's a lot of anti-immigration talk going round. Of course it's only aimed at what they think are the "wrong" (Middle-Eastern and African) kind of people, so I doubt Americans would ever have to deal with it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

How trans friendly is the Netherlands? I like bikes and tall people are hot, lol.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

It's generally LGBTQ friendly especially in Amsterdam but as the other comment said there's also a far right movement going on so it's not all roses and rainbows.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 hours ago

Im from Romania and if i saw someone move here from a richer country, i would be confused

People in Romania are homophobic, racist, xenophobic. A significant percentage of romanians decided to work in another country in the EU, giving money to their family who are living in the country(or just leaving with everyone to another country)

At least over 50% of people pirate software here, including people working for the gouverment, so you dont have to use a VPN

Its also technically illegal to be homophobic, but no one has ever been punished for that

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Mexican here. Generally, most of the population won't be very welcoming. Talking specifically about mexico city. You see, the amount of money you make in tech in the US will allow you to stay at the very best places in the city, which pushes native people out of those districts and makes them angry in the process. However, those districts are already popular for tourists/rich immigrants and that's probably for a reason. I guess business there benefit from this wealth availability so they will treat you well. I'm not rich so idk. Also, it's probably not hard to emigrate here bureaucracy wise.

Speaking Spanish, you will likely do very well in mexico. Good food, good nightlife, good safety and infrastructure (assuming you stay in the good zones), etc.

Personally, having traveled to other countries (talking about US and places in Europe specifically), I love the diversity of nationalities you can find. I think different backgrounds and experiences is very important to drive innovation. I'd love to see more of that in my home country so I'm for more people emigrating to mexico. Feel free to ask questions if you are curious.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Gentrification is a problem in the US too, probably most everywhere. Mexico City would be another great culture to be in, but I'm not really interested in living in some isolated communiy though. Is it possible for a foreigner to live a reasonable middle class existence there?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

Well, yes of course. Some relatives have few foreigner coworkers and they seem to be happy. (tho I don't know them personally). Also I've met some foreigners through university and they seem to adapt well. But I guess it heavily depends on what kind of lifestyle you want to have.

People are usually warm and we appreciate it if you show interest in our culture and adapting here. You should be more than fine if you are mindful to that and better still if you are naturally outgoing. Good luck and hope you find a cool place to go, or things get better if you end up not moving.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I'm an American living and working in Europe for years now. It's pretty great, although language barriers can leave you feeling a little isolated sometimes. That said, the thought of going back to the US turns my stomach. European working culture is much more... Human. More understanding about things like sick days, better vacation packages and, better worker protections.

I wish the US could be better, but it no longer looks like that will happen in my lifetime so I'll do my best to find happiness here instead.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Any tips for someone who would want to emigrate, but doesn't have any connections? I am an engineer and I have looked at immigration requirements for places like Canada and New Zeeland in the past and it seems like the only real shot I might have is if I work for an international company that has facilities in one of those countries.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

Get a job that will help you immigrate. My company hired a third party to handle most of my paper work. I still had to get apostille for everything, but then they did most of the visa work. They also paid for relocation.

The language thing can be isolating but it also drives you to learn.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

Work is how I got in. The IT sector gives you a fair bit of mobility as a worker, an EU blue card can be obtained without a degree (but with relevant experience) if you have a company sponsor you over.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Why would I want people from a less privileged country coming here and stealing our jobs, putting a burden on our healthcare system and making housing even more expensive?

Congratulations America, you're now the english language Mexico... with worse Tacos.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 hours ago

Hey not cool don't diss Mexico like that

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

This is what so many don't understand. Other countries don't want us. Why would they?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

If you have some skill that they are short on. That is the main reason. In that way you aren’t just some filthy American, your a skilled worker.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

That excludes most of us. For example I'm a pricing analyst. Doubt they'd even need me, let alone all the people working retail or customer service positions.

Yeah most of the auto mechanics probably voted for Trump, but a lot didn't. We have a ton of people working in restaurants, driving for Lyft, etc.

Most people are fucked.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 12 hours ago

I am originally from the US but moved to AU and am now a citizen. I got lucky and got out just before Trump's first presidency.

Life here is good. Like, better than most Americans can really understand. Healthcare is free, education is good and includes topics like critical thinking and understanding how to spot "fake news".

There is only a small aisle of frozen food in the grocery store, not nearly as much pre-packaged food. There are affordable fresh fruits and vegetables, and outside most grocery stores is an independent baker, butcher, fishmonger, and fruit and veg stand.

Minimum wage is $24.10 an hour, and you cannot be fired for no reason if you are a full time employee.

If you compare things (and adjust for AUD to USD) like rent, gas, milk, bread, eggs... Things cost about the same here as in the US.

We pay around the same amount in taxes, and get so much more.

Things aren't completely rosy, distressingly, Australia seems to want to emulate the US in certain ways which worries me.

There is also currently a bit of an economic downturn and while it's nothing like what I left behind, it does mean things cost more and luxuries have to be budgeted for.

I think anyone who isn't a dick would be welcome here. There are racist cunts here like everywhere, but generally Aussies are the kindest and most welcoming people.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 12 hours ago

Europe here. Plenty of expats here from the whole world. You will be welcomed, but getting a visa is a pain. Our politics are shit as well though.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Brazil is a Bad Idea®.

  • There's a reasonable chance that a Trump-like clown wins in 2026. Probably a Bolsonaro ally, or even a relative (there have been talks about his wife running for presidency).
  • Repeat with me the Latin American mantra: Nothing Fucking Works®.
  • Ask Haitians and Venezuelans how they're treated.
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 hour ago

Repeat with me the Latin American mantra: Nothing Fucking Works®.

Costa Rica does!

[–] [email protected] 52 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (3 children)

Welcome to EU! Prepare for a cultural shift:

Considering that everyone on lemmy is 30+ communist tech worker, it's probably a welcome change

Speaking more specifically about Poland, depending on how you measure, we might have the most rapidly secularizing society in the world Some Americans (catholic fundamentalists) seem to think that you can just barge in, snatch a tradwife and plot of land and live like it's 50s, but these people are straight up delusional. Introducing ban on abortion, for example, erased full quarter of support for the party that did it (40% ish to 30% ish overnight) and caused largest protests since dissolution of Soviet Union. There are conservative women, but these tend to be 60+

In tech job market specifically, the bubble has ended (like everywhere else i guess), but if you're a senior or able to keep your current job you'll be fine (not sure how you'd get residence permit then). You'd need to lean Polish as a practical matter, because while lots of people do speak decent English, many don't (esp. 50+ and in small towns) and many official matters can be done in Polish only. Like everywhere else, there's division between more conservative rural areas and more liberal large cities; no one wants to live in the former, even locals, and so most of foreigners live in Warsaw (or Kraków, or Wrocław). It sounds like you'd blend in right away in one of these places. While property prices and rent went up since start of the plague, it's not as crushingly bad as in, say, Berlin or Rotterdam. Random benefits include ability to pirate absolutely everything without VPN with no consequences and ability to use complaint as a conversation starter

[–] [email protected] 6 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I never thought about it before, but I agree - you can start a conversion by complaining.

Living in Poland all my life, I also would like to mention it feels really safe here (as a white male, so...).

Unless you're into football, or low quality clubbing you'll be hard to find violent crime. Domestic violence and related murders do happen, but you'll be hard pressed to get yourself mugged or assaulted these days.

You can pay by card or via app (blik) nearly anywhere, small village shop, street produce vendor, food truck, anywhere. If they don't want your card they are probably doing some tax fraud, or are bad at finding low card payment fees.

TL;DR: I've travelled a bit, and I really don't think I'd rather live anywhere else.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I guess it's good to hear that things are changing for the better, I emigrated from Poland when I was a child to Norway and my perception of Poland is a far less favourable one lol

Though my entire polish family are also very religious and conservative so

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 hours ago

look up all the weird shit polish immigrants are up to in Chicago. You'd think they're living in 20s or at least 70s

[–] [email protected] 5 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

That’s really funny - my very Catholic mom is going to Poland next year with some church group and the priest, lol…I apologize for her in advance!

I’ve always wanted to visit Poland and still hope I can, one day. But no weird Catholic shit!

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 18 hours ago

I want to say on that cultural shift, having lived my entire life in the dark blue sections of the US... that would be such a freaking welcome change.

Also fucking shocked that Kansas ISN'T dark blue.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 13 hours ago

New Zealander here. I work in IT. Americans seem to get on fine here in the IT sector. NZ is less right wing than the US but you wouldn't earn as much and housing is expensive

[–] [email protected] 9 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Given that my country is Russia and you are probably trying to escape an authoritarian regime, you may consider another destination.

But still, I think Americans are generally welcome. People can make lighthearted jokes about it and be surprised, but you'll be a welcome guest after all. Bonus points if you say American government, and particularly Department of State, is shit :D

Language barrier might be an issue - most Russians above ~35 have very poor English skills, and younger folks mostly have it on A2-B2 level.

Oh, and the country is sanctioned to hell, so sending money in and out is an additional hurdle. But if you retain your American credit card, you'll be alright and at least able to make payments outside the country.

[–] [email protected] 97 points 23 hours ago (9 children)

First of all, stop using word "expat" when you're talking of immigrants but from "better countries"

[–] [email protected] 30 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Hard agree, expat as a term only exists because white people wanted to separate themselves from those they deem ”lesser immigrants”

I moved to Japan from Sweden, I only call my self an immigrant because that’s what I am

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

PewDiePie is that you?

[–] [email protected] 41 points 23 hours ago (7 children)

Ive usually seen "Expat" defined as someone working in another country, but explicitly with the intent to be there temporarily and leave once their time at that job ends, rather than moving there with an intent to stay and join that society. Which, granted, doesnt seem to be what OP is actually talking about in this case.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

That's what it means but some people use it wrong and some people complain about it being used wrong, wrongly

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 17 hours ago

Heidelberg, Germany. This town is already more American than some towns in America.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Depends how they behave. If they behave like "Expats", who don't care about integrating into our society, don't care about learning the local language even after years, they are not welcome.

If they integrate seamless (and this does not imply giving up their identity, just to make sure), and become a good member of this society, be welcome.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 hours ago

I am born, raised, and live in one of the most diverse cities on the planet. I could care less about you assimilating to my culture. And I definitely don't care if you can't speak the language.

That's some Nazi crap to judge people like that.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 18 hours ago

Weird way to talk about immigrants

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