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Summary

Bernie Sanders criticizes the Democratic Party for neglecting the working class, leading to their recent election losses.

He highlights issues like economic inequality, job displacement, healthcare costs, and foreign policy as key concerns for the American people.

Sanders questions whether the Democratic leadership will address these issues or remain beholden to big money interests.

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[–] [email protected] 240 points 5 days ago (4 children)

He's 100% correct. This failure is a failure of the DNC to actually pay attention to what the voters want.

[–] [email protected] 115 points 5 days ago (2 children)

This election, like every failed election effort since 2000, was a referendum on the democratic party platform: neoliberal business as usual for the top 15% sprinkled with "we're not Republicans"

[–] [email protected] 47 points 5 days ago (1 children)

“we’re not Republicans”

Trust us, we are different. Oh how specifically are we different? What a great question, is it not the best part of this nation to be able to ask such things. Anyway, as I was saying....

[–] [email protected] 41 points 5 days ago

I hate how accurate this shit is

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[–] [email protected] 134 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (5 children)

The only focused Democratic message for the past 8+ years has been, "We need to stop Trump," which I agree with, but without Trump, I can't think of a single, unified message. That's not enough to get the general population fired up and excited to vote for Dems. One thing that made Obama so popular was he had specific goals and gave people hope.

Trump, in the meantime, has been feeding people all sorts of promises and hopes and dreams. They're all terrible and full of shit, but that is a more powerful message than just, "We need to stop Harris."

[–] [email protected] 50 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I'm also legitimately convinced that the average American person is just an asshole and likes other assholes. Trump is the most conceited, whiney, cry baby, know it all, jagoff and everybody knows it. He wears it like a medal. And people love it man. They just eat it up.

It's just like Carlin said. The politicians come from us. Because they are us.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 days ago

Trump is the most conceited, whiney, cry baby, know it all, jagoff and everybody knows it. He wears it like a medal. And people love it man. They just eat it up.

That's the thing. I'm sick of the media painting this as a "they're holding their noses and voting" thing. This dude doesn't win despite his vulger rallies and his racist, sexist, homophobic, crazy, whiney, criminal, and arrogant behavior... He wins because of that shit.

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[–] [email protected] 90 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Hi. Working tradesman. I still voted blue even when the 4 years under trump were mostly better for me than under Biden. Of course most likely coasting off of Obama's era. But I got no relief under Biden. I pay $20k a year for my Healthcare and still have to pay thousands a year out of pocket for visits. My family in Ukraine is still unsure what's going to happen in the next year. Many of brothers in my local are unemployed now during the hardest time to pay to live. We hear the record profits the corporations made and swindled the working class dry so we can eat yet there has been no relief. How did making 6 figures for a family of 5 turn into almost living pay check to pay check.

I'm ok with sacrifice if it means others get the help they need. But I don't think anyone got the help they needed. We sacrificed for no benifit to anyone but the elite, and we are continuing to be ignored.

This is what Sanders is talking about. And I'm afraid of what Trump is going to do for many Americans. For my Ukrainian family back home. For my neighbor who is Taiwanese. But recently I'm more worried to keep food on the table for my kids. I don't even care who won anymore. I have election and political fatigue. I did what was asked. I keep doing what everyone thinks is right. But I'm burning out.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago

This comment spoke to me. I'm in the trades as well. I vote blue because, its further left than I can get from the red party.

Best of luck. We will need it.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Bernie is correct for the 100th time. But is little too late now. Unless Dems are serious about tackling working class issues. I don't see anything changing. Many people view the Dem party not for the average person anymore.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The party is done. I switched to being a Independent. The machine is too big to change from the outside, and those that are the inside are blind to what is happening to regular people that would result in voters not showing up or just voting for a Fascist.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago

Agreed 100%.

If they did this, they would easily carry states with high populations of blue collar and union laborers. Stop paying lip service and actually do it.

States that have had major manufacturing centers in the late 20th century like the Rust Belt.

Like...Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin.

The Democratic party is just paying the price for ignoring blue collar middle class voters since the late 80s. They took those votes for granted, and they lost them over time. Just like after blue collar folks they then took the votes of minorities for granted...and now they're losing those.

All they need to do is ask what they've done for these people lately...like in the past few decades. And when they came really answer that in any terms other than what they prevented the other guys from doing, they shouldn't have to wonder why enthusiasm for their party's candidates is at an all time low.

Literally ZERO people I know personally have actually liked and actively, enthusiastically supported any democratic presidential nominee since Obama. That's twelve fucking years and zero candidates that got people excited and inspired. Most of my friends voted for these candidates, but nobody liked them.

Honestly, if it weren't for the opposition being so unbearably awful, I'd almost be happy to see the Democratic party handed loss after loss until and unless they learn their lesson and stop taking their base for granted.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago (16 children)

Do people mean anything other than commodity and gas prices when they say "working class issues?" I feel like abortion, healthcare, education, and student loans are also working class issues, but I take it that's not what people mean.

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[–] [email protected] 93 points 5 days ago (7 children)

Man, if he'd form a populist left party and stop caucusing with the Dems, he might get a lot of enthusiastic support and candidates running locally soon

[–] [email protected] 52 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yes please. Channeling my energy towards this future.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (12 children)

We could also do this ourselves, if we could find a way to organize it.

I’m sure with enough attention he’d acknowledge, and maybe support it.

It may sound silly but what’s the alternative?

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[–] [email protected] 81 points 5 days ago (1 children)

“Will the big money interests and well-paid consultants who control the Democratic Party learn any real lessons from this disastrous campaign? Will they understand the pain and political alienation that tens of millions of Americans are experiencing? Do they have any ideas as to how we can take on the increasingly powerful Oligarchy, which has so much economic power?” Sanders asked.

”Probably not”

Bernie has been the Cassandra of the Democratic Party for decades. They need to realize that it has gone too far. The insane wealth gap, which has surpassed pre-Revolution France at this point, combined with the unaffordability of everything has created a crisis that won’t be fixed by platitudes and vague promises.

People are desperate, afraid, and angry. Changing that to hope and enthusiasm requires real plans that average voters can understand and even more than that requires correctly showing people the source of the problem.

Being beholden to billionaires is the real problem. And all their money, advertising, polling, and other bullshit didn’t do a damn thing to help Harris. Take them on the way FDR did or give the country to republicans permanently.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 days ago

The insane wealth gap, which has surpassed pre-Revolution France

Let that sink in

[–] [email protected] 52 points 5 days ago (4 children)

The DNC needs to allow voters to elect who they actually want during the primary. We were force fed Hillary because the DNC didn't want Bernie. We didn't even have a primary because we were force fed Biden, then given Harris because Biden was so unelectable. The DNC must allow democratic process to take place so that voters elect the presidential candidate that they want.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Democratic party aside, Bernie couldn't get the votes. I actually think the news media has been a much much bigger problem with someone like Bernie getting power. They always try to paint someone like him as being radical, when anywhere else in the world he would be a normal person on the left.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago

Spoiler alert: They will remain beholden to big money interests and continue to lose. God damn it.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 5 days ago (1 children)

God fucking dammit he should have been the fucking president in 2016. Fuck this timeline.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 days ago

Gore should have been the president in 2000

[–] [email protected] 47 points 5 days ago (8 children)

Nah i dont think yall are willing to do it. 2028 you'll be holding your nose again voting for an out of touch moderate to oppose trumps third term instead of giving a progressive you completely agree with any kind of chance.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (23 children)

The what party? America still has more than one political party?

Edit: I don't mean 'both parties are the same, you knuckleheads.' I mean there won't be a Democratic party by the next election. There won't be any parties but the Republican party.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 5 days ago (15 children)

He's partially right.

Unfortunately, I think the bigger issue is that a majority of Americans are fascists or indifferent to fascism.

“But are there not many fascists in your country?"

"There are many who do not know they are fascists but will find it out when the times comes.”

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 days ago (1 children)

If you don't want to be crying again in 2028, start working now.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Some of us never quit. It's just annoying that everytime you bring up legit concerns its met with people defending the status quo. 2016 the status quo was drug to the town square and hung. I don't care if you pulled it down marionette it around, it's 2024 and a knife was stabbed through the heart of this country. Democrats still have the helm and they will do nothing, they will let it bleed out. All the power of the american government and they cannot weird it despite a lifetime working in it.

If democrats were even going to consider change they would spend their political capital, NOW. Since it is all gone come January.

Say I'm wrong and they can keep playing political footsy with NAZIs till the end of time, why, why, why, would anyone want that????

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago

Yeah, just like the republicans. Its the part of all this leftist shaming on here never addressed. I voted democrat because they were the lesser of two evils. At no time did I think they were going fix whats broken.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 days ago (10 children)

I wonder why Bernie and other progressives don't band together and announce their own party. With enough big names (especially Bernie) they could gather enough attention to be a viable third party that actually represents progressive and more left leaning ideas than the democrats. They have two years until the next local elections to get their foot on the race, I think they could get done traction if they actually go for that

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Bernie is not nearly as popular as most on the internet echo chambers would have you believe.

The fact is this is now a money game. Grass roots campaings and parties are more disadvantaged than ever at being able to get their voice out to people, especially ones that arent perptually over connected to the internet and forums.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Because they understand the spoiler effect.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago

We already lost. The time is now to work on something new. Tuesday and the 60 days before it were shut up and vote. Today and the next 3.5 years are shout and organize.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 days ago

The Democrats have been spoiling elections plenty on their own

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 5 days ago (15 children)

If he formed a new party with young, fresh faces, I'd vote for them regardless of how that affected whatever the DNC did. I feel like there's enough similar sentiment that he could force change in the DNC

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 days ago (15 children)

Finally. Everybody on Lemmy has been sucking donkey dick so hard. They’re not gonna save you. Need to start looking elsewhere or force their hand. RCV will help do that.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yesterday and today feel like I'm reliving my mom's election loss back in 2016. I was too young then to understand the weight behind what was going on at the time, although I did at least understand why Trump seemed like a dumb candidate. Anyways, I distinctly remember how when it was obvious that Hillary lost, even though she won the popular vote, that something wasn't right. My mom was sobbing while looking for places to move into, since we were moving out anyways. Now, 8 years later, I'm having those exact same feelings as she did except with my boyfriend on my side, knowing very well that come January that if nothing happens, we could very well be one of his first targeted groups. I fucking hate this timeline, man.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

So the working class had to be specifically told

  • the democrats support unions
  • the democrats support breaking up monopolies
  • the cost of living is a complex issue with multiple causes that will take a very careful and calculated collection of regulations regarding home ownership, rent, taxes, and it's not going to work for everyone, and it's not going to happen overnight
  • supporting and expanding social welfare programs helps everyone

What are they expecting? The Republicans will be able to write a law saying Netflix will be cheaper and have no ads?

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