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submitted 7 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

Unity has announced dramatic changes to its Unity Engine business model which will see its introduce a monthly fee per game install beginning on 1st January next year - a move that has already send shockwaves across the development community.

Unity - the engine behind countless acclaimed games including Tunic, Cuphead, Hollow Knight, Citizen Sleeper, RimWorld, Outer Wilds, Fall Guys, Ori and the Blind Forest, and Cities: Skylines - was previously licensed to developers using a royalty free model built around subscriptions tiers. Anyone whose revenue or funding was less than $100,000 over the course of the year (or who didn't want access to features such as the ability to remove the Unity splash screen) could stick to the free Unity Personal license, while a Unity Plus subscription was required up to $200,000 in revenue, and a Unity Pro or above subscription was needed for more.

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[-] [email protected] 106 points 7 months ago

wow literally every fucking product is undergoing enshittification to a service model.

[-] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago

I said this would happen back when it was just the ISPs having data caps and cell phone companies charging for every text/data caps/ peak hours. Oh, but I was just a raving lunatic then. Fuck the human race. We get what we deserve.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago

Speak for yourself. I don’t deserve this just because other people are morons.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

All of those things you listed have always been unpopular. Idk why anyone would think that makes you a lunatic.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Nah, smart people don't deserve to suffer just because most people are stupid and careless.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

Time to end the failed experiment that is capitalism

[-] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

It’s surprising how slow the process has been in many instances

[-] [email protected] 64 points 7 months ago

I'm feeling better everyday about ditching unity and moving to godot.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago

Yeah my device struggled to run any major engines so Godot kinda saved my ass when I first got into gamedev many years ago. I was going to start learning the major engines now that I have slightly better hardware, but I guess I'm skipping Unity now.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

On the exact same boat. I switched to Godot as soon as version 4 came out and have been really happy with it. I still use Unity professionally (at least until Godot 4 fixes some big issues), but most of my projects are now on Godot. God bless open source devs.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

at least until Godot 4 fixes some big issues

With Godot being an open source project, you could scratch your own itch and help remedy the issues...

[-] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Sadly I'm really not good enough at C++ to contribute.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

It is a lovely engine, and getting better every day. The more competition we get for Unity, the better.

[-] [email protected] 51 points 7 months ago

The fact that the same user reinstalling the game counts as 2 installs makes this doubly absurd. The decision is already baffling by itself but the idea that you could take a financial hit for an install that didn't net you any additional income is... Jesus.

[-] [email protected] 36 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Ah. Yet another reason for game studios to turn away from commercial dev tools and turn to FOSS software like Blender and Godot.

And since game devs are, you know, developers, they can even contribute to these tools with heir dev time, improving them and accelerating the industry shift away from this commercial bullshit even more.

[-] [email protected] -2 points 7 months ago

Wasn’t there a massive amount of drama in the Godot community recently that nearly destroyed it?

[-] [email protected] 27 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The only "drama" I recall is that one guy, who ran an unofficial forum, went on a weird rant about how Godot is a scam because he thought development was too slow or something. He then shut down his unofficial forum. That's a long shot from "being destroyed".

But maybe I missed something?

(Edit: I had misspelled "forum" as "form". Sorry if that confused anybody)

[-] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Yep, that’s the one I was thinking about. Thanks for the clarification, I only vaguely remembered it

[-] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I've heard of no such thing.

But drama almost never kills FOSS software. It just causes it to fork. FOSS software can become like an olympic flame that just keeps getting passed from dev to dev. Once there are people actively using something, those same people are motivated to fix any issues they have with it, or add any features they are missing. That then drives improvement of the software, which in turn drives adoption, which drives more improvement...

There was huge drama around Emby going closed source, but FOSS Emby simply got forked, becoming Jellyfin.

There's an example just within lemmy, the lemmur app apparently stopped development due to some drama, but it got forked and Liftoff picked up right where it left off.

Yes. There can be drama around FOSS projects, and there often is. Loosely organized groups of volunteers putting together serious software don't work as efficiently as a paid team of devs led by a visionary with final say. But FOSS projects are capable of becoming self-perpetuating in a way proprietary software can never do. Once they reach a high enough level of adoption, they are very hard to kill.

And Godot is definitely up there.

[-] [email protected] 33 points 7 months ago

Are they trying to lose to Unreal?

[-] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago

The real threat is Godot. It's getting better and better. Why pay for a commercial game engine, when you can use one that comes with a literally no strings attached FOSS license? And you have full access to the source code, so you can fiddle with any line of code, if need be.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago

At this point you've got to wonder if they're trying to lose to Gamebryo.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

GameBryo Execs: "Finally, we can deal with someone besides Todd Howard!"

[-] [email protected] 32 points 7 months ago

I looked through the announcement post and all I can say is that this is beyond absurd. Can they even legally apply these changes retroactively? All these relatively large indie games used Unity. They can't exactly tear everything down and use another engine. They didn't even accept such terms at the time, so how can they suddenly be expected to pay for every download they get?

And I was so excited to finally start learning Unity too... damn. I probably should have seen something like this coming way back when they announced their IPO. I was going to learn Unreal at some point as well but I guess I'll just uninstall Unity and skip right to UE5.

There's definitely going to be huge action taken from every studio that used Unity in their games. I have a hard time believing that they'll get away with the retroactive part at least.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

UE5 is great. Honestly, it would have been the better choice even before Unity decided to curb-stomp their entire community and customer base.

But then, what did we expect after Unity merged with a company known for malware. Predatory practices are their whole business model.

[-] [email protected] 20 points 7 months ago

I guess Unity had a good run while it lasted. Time to see Godot splashscreens everywhere now

[-] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Godot doesn't charge a subscription fee to remove the splash screen :)

[-] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago

...

Throws year long project in the trash

[-] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

Annnd...

Uninstalled.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

How could they even enforce this? Couldn't devs just include a wrapper or small firewall (or settings for Windows firewall) with their games to block Unity's analytics?

[-] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

You could technically get around most software license agreements, but companies don't do that en masse because they'd risk legal action against them.

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