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submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

The spectre of LIBERAL SOCIALISM

Power Dynamics

Link: https://hexbear.net/comment/4756805

Update: they edited their comment to make it even worse, and added plenty of smuglord

Then they go on to expose themselves as a genocide supporter, while of course claiming they don't but its cOmPlICaTeD!

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 7 months ago (4 children)

If you're willing to abandon your ideals for any reason, then you never really had them

[–] [email protected] 45 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Right? And this triangulation bullshit rarely if ever has utility value, to boot. What did the Dems get from 30-40 years of triangulation!?

[–] [email protected] 48 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Everything the Republicans wanted. Which meant the Republicans had to find new things to want. Meaning it's time for more triangulation!

[–] [email protected] 32 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Roe died under a Democrat government!

[–] [email protected] 26 points 7 months ago

Sacrifices for protecting democracy!

[–] [email protected] 41 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 37 points 7 months ago
[–] [email protected] 27 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Liberals really believe there's no such thing as negotiation, compromise, or long-term strategy. They don't believe in undermining your opponents either. They don't believe in temporarily alliances that only exist so you can screw over your competition later. They will brow beat us about how Lenin said to vote for liberal parties, but miss the part about how he meant voting for parties that are allied with socialist parties.

The only thing liberals believe is abandoning your ideals at the slightest provocation and becoming a standard conservative.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago (2 children)

It often happens, however, that thinking lags behind reality; this is because man's cognition is limited by numerous social conditions. We are opposed to die-herds in the revolutionary ranks whose thinking fails to advance with changing objective circumstances and has manifested itself historically as Right opportunism. These people fail to see that the struggle of opposites has already pushed the objective process forward while their knowledge has stopped at the old stage. This is characteristic of the thinking of all die-herds. Their thinking is divorced from social practice, and they cannot march ahead to guide the chariot of society; they simply trail behind, grumbling that it goes too fast and trying to drag it back or turn it in the opposite direction.

We are also opposed to "Left" phrase-mongering. The thinking of "Leftists" outstrips a given stage of development of the objective process; some regard their fantasies as truth, while others strain to realize in the present an ideal which can only be realized in the future. They alienate themselves from the current practice of the majority of the people and from the realities of the day, and show themselves adventurist in their actions.

-Mao

You need to be able to see the whole situation and understand what current conditions require to advance to your ultimate ideal. If you’re not willing to make concessions for a future victory you are as lost as someone with no ideals.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago

Yes, but given that the US is in a more advanced stage of production, that means there are more radical possibilities than in Maoist China, not less. And this holds despite the woeful state of class consciousness.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

If making concessions to the democrat party hadn't been tried many times in the past only for them to keep none of their promises, you would have a good point. However, American leftists have been burnt so many times trying this that one must seriously question its efficacy.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 7 months ago

we love our dev instance comrades, don't we folks

[–] [email protected] 48 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Ah, you accuse my ideology of incoherence, but did you know it has its own Wikipedia page? smuglord I bet you feel silly now.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago

Was it you???

[–] [email protected] 45 points 7 months ago

95+% of people on American tv news: "I got an idea here. Biden should move to the right..."

oxjox: "I'm a liberal socialist and I got an idea here. It's something to consider. Maybe you guys haven't thought about it. Biden should move to the right..."

[–] [email protected] 39 points 7 months ago (1 children)

On this day, Trans Visibility Day, I will forgive them hexbear-trans buddy-christ

[–] [email protected] 30 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Why would Biden make Easter illegal for the trans holiday to replace it?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You're still allowed to do all the traditional Easter practices, but we're basically just rebranding the holiday to be trans instead of Christian.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago

The hose aren’t your grandpa’s Easter eggs

trans-hatch

[–] [email protected] 38 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Words mean what I think they mean and not what they actually mean. Why yes I am a lib

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago

And if you disagree then you're doing a linguistic prescriptivism. Not me though, I would never do that.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Problem is that 99.9% of the time what they think will be “whatever it takes to get votes” means moving economically to the right, mostly the same on social issues, perhaps a bit more xenophobic, and amp up the militarism. The uncomfortable reality for libs is, the “abandoned ideals” position that would peel off votes from republicans in many area of the country would be beerniecrat economics but with strong gun rights.

The larger issue though is that a lot of voters aren’t turned off by the particular positions but because they see democrats (with good reason) as being shifty and untrustworthy. A few pivots here and there a couple months before the election won’t fix that. Which is part of the problem with this “vote blue no matter who,” constantly chasing the current cycle politics, there’s never any long-term planning.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago
[–] [email protected] 29 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

Quick, everyone link your specific niche ideology's Wikipedia page

I'll start https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_International_Posadist

[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

There's no Wikipedia page for Marxism-Satanism-Animeism no how many times I create it

[–] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago (1 children)

a standard liberal going through the political ideology section on wikipedia:

"I’ll have two national socialists, a syndicalist large, a anarcho-capitalist with extra dip, a marxist-leninist, two anarcho-communists, one with molotovs, and a large liberal."

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago

This is what I felt like doing to this user after I saw the Wikipedia link drop

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

I would put down Nazbolism as an example of a hilariously incoherent ideology but I don't actually want to be associated with it.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 7 months ago

Do you disagree?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 7 months ago

~~AOC~~ Biden is doing what the ~~unions~~ Republicans wanted

[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago

do you disagree?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm convinced liberal socialtwas a bit account that grew too large and gained sentience. Which one of you was it that created that Frankenstein?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

Feel like shit, just want him back

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

hey at least they were honest and included "liberal" in the name of their ideology.