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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So you want to imprison all murderers? Like the Nazis did with the jews? Ok, fascist

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Oh, you think Nazis are bad? Replace Nazi with "Jews and black people" suddenly you seem problematic, bucko

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Killing the mass murderers is equally as bad as mass murder. galaxy-brain

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Okay guys, I know this might be a little bit of what the kids call a "hot take", but killing Nazis is actually cool, as well as good.

It is also "based" to kill slave owners, too.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Violence against Nazism is as bad as Nazism" smuglord

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

least stupid liberal

Death to America

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Do liberals ever clutch pearls when libertarian types talk about throwing communists out of helicopters? Or similar stuff?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

They're too busy clutching pearls because we dare defend the right to bear arms. At this point, it really can't be good for the pearls.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Killing nazis isn't genocide because "nazi" is neither an ethnicity nor a culture.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I hate the whole "Oh if you do that you'll be just like them" thing. If that's the case then I think I can I can live with it quite comfortably actually

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I regret to inform you that the word genocide has lost all meaning

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is a Nazi gene apparently

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

No, you see, Hitler particles are sort of like Midichlorians. The genes of the Westoid simply channel Hitler particles in more efficient manner nerd

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can you explain the hitler particles joke?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

It's kind of a meme, but actually from paper by Trotsky

Not every exasperated petty bourgeois could have become Hitler, but a particle of Hitler is lodged in every exasperated petty bourgeois.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Ah yes, the Nazi race. It's telling that this poster is equating white people with Nazis?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hey, Lemmy users.

We advocate for the violent death of Nazis here.

Looking for something else?

Then leave.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

no more half measures walter

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

One side wants to perpetuate an eternal war of annihilation.

Another side wants to kill off these fuckers in an act of self-defense

I literally can't tell the difference!! DaBiden

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

jokerfied

It really is incredible. I don't hate nazis because of idle reasons. They did everything in their power to earn it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

one makes a conscious decision to become a nazi

one is born as a minority and does not have any choice in the matter

these are literally the exact same thing

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

the only way this is gonna end is when they declare nazi an ethnicity

i guess there'll be some honesty in that at least...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

the joke about stalin ending ukrainian cultural traditions of pogroms but unironically

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Help! I'm a descendant of the Kapytyyalizt peoples of the Caucauses and Stalin is genociding my people!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hey America, why is killing Islamic terrorists ok, but killing fascists is bad?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Obviously us-foreign-policy but I'd love one to say something like "well, these speak English so we can reason with them." and then bring up that guy who grifts about deradicalizing klan members.

America delenda est.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

that guy who grifts about deradicalizing klan members.

Is that just a grift? Can you explain? Id like to believe myself a rehabilitationist so I want to believe radical right wingers can be rehabilitated in ways that arent a bullet to a skull, but if one of the only evidence that deradicalization is possible isnt real... I never researched the topic much though so can you or someone explain?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know if it is truly a grift, i.e. that he is doing it for money, but I do know that libs have used him to say: look, we don't need to hate racists, sexists, homophobes, transphobes, etc. the people that they hate just need to sit down with them and have a conversation and they will magically change. I also remember a person saying that one of his supposed converts was now just affiliated with a different hate group than the Klan, but I can't seem to find that source.

Even if Daryl Davis is legitimate, he has certainly only deradicalized people who were there for the community vs. those who actually have deeply held beliefs that black people are deserving of persecution. Otherwise, there wouldn't be parents who disown their own kids for being gay/trans.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The idea that even the avowed true believer fascists are not redeemable by any means kinda goes against my worldview. Like obviously some are but like, I know ex fascists. Tbf most of them were fascists as kids and grew out of it. And also there was one who was an "ex-fascist" for a long time and had become communist, and then after some pushback against leftover fashy behavior she ended up going back to fascism so that was faith shaking but like.

I've effortposted about how i feel about mass executing Nazis before. Individual violence against nazis who are openly being nazis in the street is another story to me obviously. But I still find it hard to believe that bigotry cant be rehabilitated.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think I am essentially utilitarian about this. I don't think it is, in general, worth an individual's resources (time, effort, chance of being harmed) to try and rehabilitate a random adherent to hateful ideologies. People less beholden to evil are more attractive targets, and a bullet to a fascist head is a lot quicker.

Likewise though, I don't think it is worth a society's resources to mass execute a large subsection of their population, and so rehabilitation schemes are preferable.

To be honest though, I think most people only fall to fascist beliefs because of the appearance of an open community and the sublimation of their feelings of failure into hatred for some other group. If we ever succeed at crafting a more pro-social society where all have a place and there is a real sense of community, I think the majority of the current fash sympathizers would deradicalize themselves.

Also, on a personal note, I too lost a friend to fascism. He had reactionary views when I first met him, but also seemed to be a deep thinker that wanted a better world. Over time, I thought I had softened many of those views, and had even gotten him to accept the necessity of a universal, not-for-profit healthcare system. However, I could never find the ground to get him to deal with the (honestly pathetic) trauma of having been (supposedly) cheated on by his high school girl friend.

Dude just kept dating girls currently in, or fresh out of, high school. The relationships obviously never worked. Then he started dating a church girl (who was 17 while he was ~30) and they got married when she was like 19. He started telling me of the new found importance of god in his life, how our world was removed (this was before trump so that word held much less YIKES), how porn kept us lonely, the need for nuclear families, etc. I pushed back lightly, but he seemed happy for really the first time.

Then, predictably, they got a divorce as you don't marry a child and think it'll work out. His response: go full hate women MGTOW and fast track the alt-right pipeline to fascism. The last time we talked he was telling me about how helpful he'd found this new guy, Jordan Peterson. I cut ties after he said America's downfall began with women getting the right to vote.

I once considered him like a brother. I now sometimes have nightmares about him killing me or his ex-wife.

Edit: Oh, I had a friend that dated him for a while. She confided in me when we reconnected years later that he had stalked her for years and she had gotten a restraining order and a gun because she was so scared of him. I'd already cut contact at this point, but I also never saw this side of him. We were definitely at our closest while he was also stalking her.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The minute you tolerate ONE neo-Nazi in an internet forum is the minute they all flood in, these motherfuckers talk to each other, they have a siege mentality like you wouldn't believe, and when one of them finds a safe space they all rush in and poison everything, next thing you know some piece of shit is comparing the persecution of mass murderers to genocide

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I migrated instances yesterday for this exact reason, lemmy.ml is a bit better than some others like world but it still gets pretty bad

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am normally looking at a few different instances but had to come hexbear to refresh my mind after seeing some maddening takes about protesting on lemmy.ml just a minute ago...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd like to add, when Stalin was around the Ukraine didn't have a Nazi problem because he put them through a fuckin blender

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Drove a lot of them to KKKlanada

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

And the US. The OUN-B and some related organizations were nurtured throughout the Cold War as NATO assets, ultimately leading to this outcome.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Maybe the person is just against murder?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

The most enlightened possible take is "murder is bad no matter what" while mass murderers continue murdering and don't give a fuck about how you feel about murder and won't bother waiting around for some absent authority to arrest them. galaxy-brain

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

"Every Nazi who remains alive will kill women, children, and old folks. Dead nazis are harmless. Therefore, if I kill a Nazi, i am saving lives."

-Lyudmila Pavlichenko

You can't murder Nazis. Their mere existence is a threat to all humanity. Killing Nazis is always an act of self defense regardless of circumstances.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Soviets are anti Christian, so I don't care what some communist said

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

christians can believe whatever they want in the privacy of your own home, but schools and organizations grooming children is where i draw the line

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