did she break the law because the letter was for the eyes of the CEO only
This may be my favorite thought process sovereign citizens go through.
"I don't have to follow laws as long as I make shit up. But everyone else is required to follow the law exactly as I assume it works for normal people."
Back in mandatory masking days of COVID, one of them posted that he tried to shop in a store without a mask (they hate masks and literally think it's against their religion), and was refused service so he just decided to shoplift instead, and came on the sovcit group asking for the law that said if money was refused that meant it was free. I have never laughed so hard.
"Sovcit, here's $20,000 for your house."
"What? It's not for sale"
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Dont forget using a notary...presumably one who was granted their power by the State.
I think they genuinely believe they are reading the law right and everyone else is just wrong or don't know something they know etc. So from their pov they're following all the laws that are lawful I suppose, so there's no contradiction in their mind.
Given the level of general literacy in the post, I'm not surprised she doesn't understand things.
I sent the letter and care of and such like the CEO.
This sounds like some weird cargo cult-esque garbage. Send magic letter = bill disappear.
Sovereign citizens believe that there is a difference between JOHN Q. PUBLIC and John Q. Public. Like your name in all caps is a “corporation” that the US government controls, which has money that you can access with the right combination of magic words. It’s very cargo cult.
Literally exactly what it is. The "coupon" they refer to is the little payment remittance slip on the bottom of bills, they think if they sign it and send it back without money that it pays their debt. It's WILD.
Somebody go tell them that if they take a shit in the middle of city hall, they become mayor.
Please no. I work in a city hall. I don't need that in my life. We already had a guy hit an artery while shooting up in the bathroom and spray blood everywhere, and someone plugged up one of the sinks on a Friday night and flooded the lower level over the weekend, and they had to do a cleanup because there were traces of meth all over like every city building except the PD from people smoking it in the bathrooms, and I really cannot take one more bathroom-related incident.
Did the guy survive and is he now the new mayor?
Denver or Denver adjacent?
Lol you're getting downvoted but you're right. Adjacent. I should be clear that I don't feel unsafe at work or anything, I'd just like if people quit getting up to nonsense in the bathrooms, and I'd really prefer to avoid sovcits all together.
How about…
The state has the monopoly on violence. To assert your sovereignty over the state you need to make that monopoly your own. Walk into a police station with a gun and wave it around. You will promptly be freed from the tyranny of the law!
(Note: this only works in the USA because of the laws, if you try this in Europe we won’t know what to do and you might end up with mental health support and therapy instead of sovereignty.)
Think it would work? 😈
I reject your reality and substitute it with my own!
That's actually very close to their actual belief.
Do you have a link to more of this? One serving isn’t enough. What FB group is this?
The name is on the post but I'm in lots of their dumbass groups. I love to give them bogus advice.
I've not heard the phrase "cargo cult". What does that mean?
This is a pretty good summation of what cargo cults are and how they came to be IMO.
Soverign citizens are so cute, they are like kids. Whenever they want something you gotta go "say the magic word!" and instead of please it's a twenty minute run on sentance about 1600s treaties, colonial maritime law and how capital letters don't count.
If a 4 year old went off like that for a cookie I'd lose it. Kinda sad that these are dorks in their 40s but somehow that also makes it even funnier?
did she break the law because the letter was for the eyes of the CEO only
States before this that the CEO handed it to the person replying, so how could it be law breaking if the CEO delegated this nonsense to someone else.
I'm guessing they thought their "instructions" were some binding contract or something?
these people don't understand how power works, like at all.
That notary was probably laughing their ass off after the sovereign left.
My friend is a lawyer and has so many sovcit stories. It's always hilarious. They never win in court.
That’s one reason it’s so fascinating. I have yet to read of one sovcit effort that ever worked, and they just keep trying like it works every time.
I'm aware of one case. Driver was pulled over in Canada for not using a turn signal. The driver does the sovereign citizen thing and gets arrested. He goes to court saying the officer didn't have the authority to pull him over because of all the sovereign citizen nonsense.
The judge rules in his favor because, by a coincidence, he was right, but for the wrong reasons. Under the canadian highway code failing to signal alone is insufficient cause to pull someone over. The officer in fact did not have the authority to pull him over.
Source: Paraphrasing my memory of a video from Leonard French several years ago.
lol I bet that was such a disappointment for the judge.
Most of the judge's opinion was a diatribe about sovereign citizens being wrong, including the fact that none of his arguments even claimed to be applicable to Canadian law.
Sometimes police officers let them off with a warning. That's proof enough for them, that they're right.
It's a mail order scam (now an internet scam) that targets poor, uneducated people, usually who are desperate because they've been charged with a crime.
That makes sense, which is why it’s even more baffling for me, knowing a number of seemingly reasonably intelligent people without legal troubles, who think you can sovcit your way out of paying taxes. (Which, of course, creates legal troubles.)
I just really wanna know how they thought this was going to work. Like what could make someone think they could mail a thing to someone, and that somehow saddles that person with their debt. It's wild, it reads like some kind of magic spell. You complete some incomprehensible ritual, scribble some meaningless symbols on a paper, get your enemy to accept this "gift" and now the curse has been passed on to them.
Everything that comes from soc citizens, incels, and tankies is basically made up and they are projecting their dreams onto reality.
These sentences break my brain.
Never underestimate the power of magical thinking to rob people of their critical thinking faculties… assuming they ever had any in the first place.
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