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Where on the internet is the anti-AI crowd at large talking about divine sparks of creativity? I am the only person I've seen saying that the only way you get an AI that can truly replace workers is by birthing a new intelligence and then it is wrong to enslave it. I didn't know there were others!
tumblr in this case.
some people have decided to discredit all ai art as "not real art", implying that "art" is a quality that is bestowed upon a thing by its creator.
this is bullshit to me because i believe that anything can be art to someone and that decrying ai art as bad because it's somehow not real art is a thought terminating cliche that distracts from the reality that image generators are made through the exploitation of milions of unpaid artist's work.
Okay but you can acknowledge the exploitation whilst also admitting that AI doesn't make art and what it does make is universally bad. The fact it's using exploited labour and is being used to threaten jobs makes the fact its output sucks even more of a slap in the face. These ideas are not in tension; two things can be true.
Art means something. Art is any creation that meaningfully expresses the intent of its creator. If you want to make art, you need to understand meaning, and current "AI" is devoid of meaning or understanding. It's not about some nebulous "spark", it's that there is no intention behind an LLM's output. It is a stochastic parrot.
Maybe a person can use AI generated imagery to make something with artistic merit, but that's because their time and attention was put into curating it, not because an AI drew a picture that seems plausible if you don't look at it too closely.
An AI needs to have comprehension before it can intend anything. Art isn't "art" just because it makes pretty pictures.
If you want to say AI as it currently exists can make art, then I'd be fascinated to hear what you think art is, and how your definition differs from mine.
the thing is i don't think a meaningful definition of art can exist. any attempt would necessarily leave something out. you can look at a crack in a random wall on your way to the shop and think it's art.
is all art necessarily good? No, obviously not, but if looking at a wonky ai landscape (or let's be honest with ourselves, massive honking ai tits) means something to you than that's art to you.
Would you say that the building made that art? Even that analogy is imperfect, because the building didn’t have to have the work of thousands of other buildings poured into it to create the crack, it just happened.
I think you should read this article.
I've seen multiple people on here arguing that understanding and creativity are uniquely human abilities.
They are unique abilities of people; whether a neural net can be a person would depend on whether it possesses those abilities. Humans are just the only examples of people that we currently have.
Understanding is not something current neural nets have. They are stochastic parrots.
I do not accept that humans are the only examples of creativity and understanding, in fact I think you find those traits all over the animal kingdom. From great apes making tools, to fish and birds spending hours building beautiful creations to attract a mate
No they aren't. Animals understand LMAO. If you want to continue this conversation, you're going to need to back up your claims with something, otherwise I'm just going to ignore any further replies.