The Liberals don't deserve another chance, sure, but handing the election over to the conservative party? What the fuck...
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Why is it the responsibility of a third party like the NDP to keep up the Liberals in power?
If the NDP can steal and win former Liberal seats, it seems really dumb not to capitalize on that opportunity. It's not like the NDP will form government, nor will the Conservatives lose traction in the next 10 months. There's a Conservative government coming in regardless of how you feel.
It's not, but when the country is frothing at the mouth over even more unhinged authoritarian/oligarchy leadership than what we have, NDP aren't going to stand much of a chance on their own. All the going to do is drive more people to vote CPC
Except the NDP are unlikely to pick up many Liberal seats and will go from holding the balance of power to having no power. I donβt follow this logic.
"Maybe when Canada is fed up with the Cons, they'll vote us in!"
Shortsighted buffoons
The only shortsighted buffoons I see are the Liberals who have thoroughly failed to meaningfully improve their voters' lives and address any of the many social crises that are impacting us.
How do you feel about response to COVID and the CERB payments?
Personally, that was a federal win for me.
Can this wait until Feb 1? Give Canadians a bit more of a chance to see the US get fucked first.
Parliament doesn't sit until Jan 26, so it won't happen before then.
First sitting on the 27th, to be exact. Source.
Yeah, I'm panicking a lot less now. And depending on the exact rules JT could prorogue it even further.
Somebody in the media mentioned a Liberal leadership election; if he goes that way I'll be "kalm" again.
A Liberal leadership convention would require ~4-5 months. The Liberals would name an interim leader elected by caucus if JT steps down.
Really? Do you have a link to bylaws or something?
A couple seems like plenty of notice to me under the circumstances.
"The Liberals don't deserve another chance,"
And Conservatives shouldn't even get a chance, yet Singh is handing them power on a silver plate.
Burning down the country and democracy in the West "to own the Libs" sounds like a plan we may never recover from.
The Conservatives will win either way. There's nothing in the next 10 months that would prevent the Conservatives from winning short of PP beating up children.
Voting no confidence now allows the NDP to viably compete for seats like Ottawa Centre where the liberals are weak and rebuild their influence and standing in the house. I don't see why it's the duty of every left-leaning party to prop up the Liberals as the natural governing party. Waiting 10 months isn't going to cause the NDP to sweep into government, it might at best just delay the inevitable if they're lucky, but more likely delaying will catastrophically wipe out their party by making them look like Liberal stage props.
I don't see why it's the duty of every left-leaning party to prop up the Liberals as the natural governing party.
It's the third party fallacy all over again.
Maybe Turdeau should have fucking followed through on election reform like he promised then.
There is no fallacy. It's a solid split between NDP and Liberals. And that's really being propped up by the East. In the West it's Conservative vs NDP.
It's about optics.
Canada is one of the last few full democracies out there, and seeing how the United States has already failed, to give up and surrender sends a strong message to other nations that democracy just doesn't work.
Its not giving up and surrendering for the NDP to not support thr liberals. Unconditionally supporting them no matter what because of fear of the conservatives would be surrendering.
Well, Jagmeet said just the other day that what Conservatives have been doing (with these non-confidence votes), was a game, and that he wasn't going to play.
Now, all of a sudden, he's caved?
Something either happened behind closed doors, or he's surrendered.
That's how I see it, and I could be totally wrong.
So you're saying that if a viable parliamentary democracy is functioning as intended, it has failed?
viable parliamentary democracy is functioning as intended
I guess that depends on your definition of functioning.
Just the other day, the NDP leader said this: "Weβre not going to vote in favour of any of their games because thatβs what (the Conservatives are) doing. Theyβre playing games,β Singh told reporters after the vote was tallied. (SOURCE)
And now he wants to play games with our future by handing Conservatives more power?
We all know that the Conservative party in Canada and the Republicans in the US are not acting in good faith to bring benefit to the people, so is this how our democracy is supposed to work?
We have a democracy FOR THE PEOPLE, and if the people aren't benefiting from these "games", then it's not functioning as intended.
In my opinion, of course.
Democracy's success isn't measured by how one person feels about an incoming government - it's based on the strength of democratic institutions, and liberal democracies are further characterized by strong civil societies and human rights regimes. If the majority of Canadians want a Conservative government in power - why do you feel that preference shouldn't be accepted?
It doesn't sound like you even want a democracy, you just want a one-party autocracy, given that you feel that people shouldn't be allowed to have fluid political preferences. That's a failure of democracy - a one party state with all decisions made by someone on Lemmy.
I'm not happy about an incoming Conservative majority government either, but my gut reaction isn't to start claiming that democracy in Canada has failed. I'm able to calmly acknowledge that there's a party right now that is probably going to win a plurality of votes and ridings because the majority of voters align with their messaging. That's not a failure of democracy, that's a success of democracy.
~~We're doomed. Probably.~~
Yup, and gov is in vacation until Jan 27th, so when they wil go back to work, Trump in its first week may have already destroyed a couple of things here and there in our economy
Actually, that's a good thing. Parliament blow up before he arrives. The government itself will continue to operate.
Thanks, I thought they were coming back early January and was worried.
I guess it's PP time...
Yeah, WTF is he thinking? At least wait until October after we've had a chance to put out the Trump fire a bit.
Hopefully it's a bluff to get Trudeau to resign, but that's not really the typical NDP MO.
WTF is he thinking?
For better or worse, he's probably reached the point where he thinks they need to cut all remaining ties to the Liberals, and not be seen as propping them up, formally or otherwise.
With the Conservatives 20 points ahead in polls, it's definitely for worse.
And that's worth a PP government? IMO he's lost the plot if that's his entire line of thinking.
I'm torn on this.
On the one hand, I agree that a PP government is a terrible thing.
On the other hand, it's hardly the NDP's job to prop up another political party.
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WTF is he thinking?
"The Bloc will let me do some performative grand standing. I hope."
I hope so too but it doesn't really seem like a smart move since it'd make their threats seem empty (though actually going through with this isn't smart either...)
Well, memories tend to be short in politics, and even then it's only credibility-damaging if it gets called. If it was the conservatives I'd pretty much just assume it's a bluff.
Yeah, WTF is he thinking? At least wait until October after we've had a chance to put out the Trump fire a bit.
Could it be thay he hopes the conservatives will take the fall for Trump's chaos and be out of power quicker? Thats the only other angle Im seeing here.
That would be a galaxy brain 4D chess move. And pretty edgy honestly - that's a lot of damage done just for the sake of political points.
I actually lean towards less-strategic, lower-pragmatism answers for this particular party. They have a reputation for blind partisanship.
Get ready for one of the ugliest campaigns in living memory.
Please donβt do it Mr Singh.
Just saw that he is eligible for pension on Jan 24th........ Do with what you want with that info
The pension is a red herring tossed around by morons. If he didn't get the pension, he'd get a return of his contributions and just invest it in index funds. People make it sound like a $40k/year pension will make or break his retirement plans lmao.
Parliament doesn't sit until Jan 26. You still have to get input from NDP HQ and the caucus before you go around voting non-confidence. Freeland resigned a day before parliament was about to adjourn and y'all make it sound like it needed to be a gut reaction.
He's rich. The pension is meaningless.
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