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submitted 11 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

Tesla cut the price of some Model 3 and Model Y versions in the U.S. after the company reported third-quarter deliveries that missed market expectations.

The starting price for the Model 3 is listed at $38,990 on Tesla’s website, down from $40,240 previously. The long range Model 3 fell from $47,240 to $45,990. And the Model 3 Performance fell to $50,990 from $53,240.

Tesla’s Model Y Performance sports utility vehicle now starts at $52,490, down from a previous price of $54,490.

Beginning at the end of last year, Tesla began cutting the prices of its cars across the world in a bid to stoke demand amid concerns over slowing consumer spending in markets like the U.S. and China and as competition in the electric vehicle space ramped up.

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[-] [email protected] 94 points 11 months ago

Honestly I think I’m more dissuaded because of who Elon has become.

[-] [email protected] 38 points 11 months ago

Knowing he can swoop into Tesla and start making decisions that over rule the experts that work there like he did at twitter should scare people who can't afford to just buy another EV if it happens to Tesla.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

"If" it happens to Tesla? Pretty sure the over promising if FSD and the poor build quality have always been Tesla things driven by Musk. Once competition gears up I really hope Tesla improves. It's actually a fun car to drive just make sure you get one that was built properly and don't bother with FSD.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Look at twitter though, I'm not convinced Tesla cant get much much worse and I think its directly related to how much time Musk spends doing his job there.

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[-] [email protected] 22 points 11 months ago

There are quality issues but the success of Tesla was mostly due to the hype created by Elon, now that most of the people that care the most about the environment dislike Elon of course their sales drop

[-] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

The success was because for a solid 5 years, the Model 3/Y were the only widely available long range EVs.

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[-] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

I was drawn to them when they were new and different and it seemed like some of the problems were just growing pains. Now it seems like Tesla started as a great idea and quickly got steamrolled into a clown show like everything else Elon touches. At one point I wanted a model 3 but now I'd rather have a gas electric hybrid like a Prius or something and an ebike or scooter.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

You mean added ad content that's not removable or blockable, charging a subscription for no new features, and blocking users he doesn't like.

Yeah I'm not buying a car from a megalomaniac that might flip the switch for Tesla over 6 months to become his new biggest ad/subscription machine.

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[-] [email protected] 33 points 11 months ago

It’s falling because the cars are garbage. Slightly cutting the prices doesn’t make them any less garbage. You could get an EV from a reputable brand for much less.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Tesla isn’t the cheapest but “much less” is inaccurate, especially once the tax credit (at least in the US) comes into play and as you try to find like-for-like range and features.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

The bolt ev/euv is cheaper and has all the features except an “autopilot”, which is a plus that your car won’t kill you

[-] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

It's also microsized compared to the Model 3 and most any other EV.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The EUV doesn't really compare.

Currently no access to the Supercharger network, a much slower fast-charging curve, the ADAS features lag Autopilot, the center console is laggy, and for the nerds who care, Tesla's API isn't closed down like OnStar. It's rear cargo ties and Carplay support are the only bonuses. The Bolt EUV is even losing features -- this year's model removed heated seats, putting further reliance on running a heater, which is a bad thing for range.

your car won’t kill you

The car doesn't kill you, people not paying attention while driving kills. NHTSA's primary investigation is basically about drivers of Tesla vehicles not paying attention and determining if Tesla is being aggressive enough about focus detection.

NHTSA is reviewing whether Tesla vehicles adequately ensure drivers are paying attention. Previously, the agency said evidence suggested drivers in most crashes under review had complied with Tesla's alert strategy that seeks to compel driver attention, raising questions about its effectiveness.

And yes, I considered purchasing one or going to the Mustang Mach-E. The Mach-E is a much more viable contender. The Bolt EUV was very unimpressive and not really comparable.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Unfortunately they are being discontinued and the leftover inventory is hard to find in my experience.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

They were being discontinued but I got told by someone the other day they got recontinued due to feedback on the cancellation

[-] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

You are correct, Chevy's messaging has been confusing. The current bolt is ending production this year and a new bolt platform is being developed, with most people expecting a release no sooner than 2025.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Ah great, super clear GM, good job. Thanks for the clarification

[-] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

I don't know why Lemmy hates Tesla so much. Hate Elon, sure, he's probably behind the crazy quotas leading to poor build quality and definitely behind overselling FSD, but if it wasn't for Tesla we would still have no viable EVs. I hope competition makes a good one soon but right now Tesla is the best EV with the best charging network. Lots of people are driving them now.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago

They're hellishly expensive cars. They harvest data, and if you opt out your car may become useless. They exaggerate the car statistics, like driving range. The build quality is frequently poor, with visible panel gaps (that cheap-arse Dacias don't even have), rear bumpers that fall off due to rainfall, they are prone to rust, and the FSD despite clearly not being "fully self driving" or even road safe is available as an extra subscription, that people actively pay for and make use of making the roads less safe.

That's just the tip of the iceberg as well. Like how replacing the battery costs as much as buying a new car. Or the fact that the already shitty battery life gets even worse when it gets cold, leading to people getting stuck on the motorway in the winter, forcing them to get a taxi and abandon their car.

Perhaps Tesla started off well back in the late 00s, but Musk's been doing nothing but bullshit since the moment he got his grubby little hands on the thing. There are awful stories coming from the factories involving racism, frequent injuries (the factory in Germany is laughable, and it's shocking it hasn't been shut down), and really worrying things have been said even about the software its running on.

Then there's all the weird-ass design decisions, like replacing the steering wheel with a yoke, without adding servo steering meaning it's just a malshaped steering wheel. They've also paved the way for bullshit capacitive touch areas rather than buttons, and tacked actual important functions like turn signals on them.

If you accidentally caress the fart button and make the bloody thing do lmao memez hilariouz farting, no one gets injured. Miscommunicating your intention in traffic could lead to deaths.

It's a bad company, and they're bad cars.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This rant is unproductive, incorrect, and wildly exaggerated.

They’re hellishly expensive cars.

No. Welcome to the new price of cars.

They harvest data, and if you opt out your car may become useless.

Opted out. Car still usable.

They exaggerate the car statistics, like driving range.

Edmunds found they aren't that far off, especially seeing that the range estimates are all over the place.

The build quality is frequently poor, with visible panel gaps (that cheap-arse Dacias don’t even have)

Sure, I'll give this one to you. While it's a no-fuss operation to get them to fix it, it shouldn't come out the factory.

rear bumpers that fall off due to rainfall,

Isolated.

they are prone to rust,

When?

and the FSD despite clearly not being “fully self driving” or even road safe is available as an extra subscription,

What other ADAS software have you used?

that people actively pay for and make use of making the roads less safe.

If the vehicle gives 2-3 warning messages before engaging it and consistently reminds the driver to pay attention, there's not much more the car can do here if a driver wants to screw off.

That’s just the tip of the iceberg as well. Like how replacing the battery costs as much as buying a new car.

Which EV has a cheap battery replacement? Teslas are down to about $12-15k, which in 2023, is cheaper than a new car.

Or the fact that the already shitty battery life gets even worse when it gets cold, leading to people getting stuck on the motorway in the winter, forcing them to get a taxi and abandon their car.

All EV batteries lose range in the winter. Most manufacturers have a feature to pre-warm the battery to reduce the effects of this. Nobody's leaving their cars on the motorway either.

Perhaps Tesla started off well back in the late 00s, but Musk’s been doing nothing but bullshit since the moment he got his grubby little hands on the thing.

Tesla wasn't shipping a car until his money became involved.

There are awful stories coming from the factories involving racism, frequent injuries (the factory in Germany is laughable, and it’s shocking it hasn’t been shut down),

I don't know enough about German manufacturing to comment, but I'd be interested in learning more about factory accident rates of Tesla vs. other carmakers.

and really worrying things have been said even about the software its running on.

Like what?

Then there’s all the weird-ass design decisions,

So personal preferences.

like replacing the steering wheel with a yoke, without adding servo steering meaning it’s just a malshaped steering wheel.

And this was reverted to a wheel by default now on the S/X, which were the only two vehicles having this as an option.

They’ve also paved the way for bullshit capacitive touch areas rather than buttons,

... have you seen other vehicles? Mercedes and Volkswagen (though, now backing off) is going down this route

and tacked actual important functions like turn signals on them.

Personal preference.

If you accidentally caress the fart button and make the bloody thing do lmao memez hilariouz farting, no one gets injured. Miscommunicating your intention in traffic could lead to deaths.

Can you show where this dedicated fart button is?

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[-] [email protected] 33 points 11 months ago

Who in their right mind, after seeing Elon Musk destroy Twitter at the behest of the Saudis, all while supporting antidemocratic Fascists from every corner of the globe, buy one of his Fascistmobiles and fly his Fascist flag?

[-] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

I love Teslas and hate Elon. Have family members who feel the same and own Teslas. The cars are amazing, fun, cool, and made by people who aren't Elon. He will never make me hate Tesla. Also, friendly reminder that Ford is heavily responsible for EVs not existing decades sooner, Toyota donated more than any company to Jan6 Republicans, and the average car CEO is a piece of shit. Elon is just an outspoken piece of shit.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

Or work at any of his companies. Would like to hear from lemmy users working for him.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

A lot of folks work in those factories that have no idea about Elon, other than that he’s rich. So many folks don’t bother to stay informed.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

I really doubt this for factories in the US. Whether you follow celebrity news or not, Musk's name is all over the place for one reason or another. US workers absolutely know what's going on.

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[-] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

More thinking all those vps, managers, hr, engineers, customer service, sales, marketing etc. they obviously are well informed and choose to stay.

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[-] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

teslas are pretty cool cars. lots of fun features that make them really feel unique.

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[-] [email protected] 30 points 11 months ago

I’m in the market for a new car. Probably an electric. Sometime in the next 3-5 years. I’ll be fucked if I even consider one of this douchecunt’s cars.

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[-] [email protected] 29 points 11 months ago

In 2021, I almost bought a Tesla, but needed a car quickly and they had a long wait. I’d still consider it but it has now become clear that Elon Musk sucks, so I’ll never buy one.

My next car will be an EV from literally any other company.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

Yeah in thinking about a Bolt if my Aptera order doesn't come through.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Fwiw my Bolt has been rock solid so far. I'm getting about 240 miles per charge (to 90%, not full). It's a city driver though, I wouldn't plan to take it on a road trip

[-] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

I'd avoid VW too, honestly. They were had to build out Electrify America because they cheated with emissions. They clearly do not give a shit about it and their charging stations are continually rated the worst.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Yeah, used to own VWs. They are shit cars and that’s why I stopped buying them, but the emissions cheating was also a nail in the coffin for my consideration of them.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

You can't really get away from Tesla chargers though if you need to do a road trip. Happily, many other brands are adopting the standard so I think soon anyone can use them.

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[-] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

Too expensive to run proper power to my garage to go electric. My main panel is in the basement on the other side of my house.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

I also had this problem. I was lucky enough to have an electric dryer plug near the garage, and got a "splitvolt" brand switching box, which is awesome.

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