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The team behind menstrual health and period tracking app Clue has said it will not disclose users' data to American authorities, following Donald Trump's reelection.

The message comes in response to concerns that during Trump's second presidency, abortion bans that followed the overturn of Roe v. Wade in 2022 will worsen and states will attempt to increase menstrual surveillance in order to further restrict access to terminations.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 22 hours ago

My wife uses a spreadsheet and connected it to her calendar. Seems pretty accurate.

It is a modified version of this:

http://www.alizaaufrichtig.com/period-tracker

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 day ago

Cool but the proper solution is that they shouldn't have access to this data at all. It should be either stored locally, or encrypted on their servers. Companies not being able to access their consumer data should be the default.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That will last only until a judge signs a warrant.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago

Or until the American people get bored with talking about it, like with everything else, then stop caring and just let whatever happen.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Or until Trump decides to have an army of hackers like Putin.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We already do. We wage cyber warfare with other countries the same.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

Were people unclear on this? They think that the US is just letting cyber warfare happen without participating...?

[–] [email protected] 81 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Don't fall for it. Read their privacy policy.

They keep your data in the cloud and share it with third parties, including advertisers.

Pen and paper doesn't snitch.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 day ago

not defending the bogus use of the cloud to host sensitive data, nor do i unquestioningly believe this? but correcting the record since you did 80% of the work in finding the link:

Be assured that the sensitive health data you track in the Clue app is never shared with or sold to advertisers, or any partners whose services we may recommend in Clue.

If you actually read what you sent it seems like the only data that is shared to advertisers is standard marketing stuff like IP, device ID, age group, and location. Still bad and I stand with others recommending locally hosted FOSS alternatives.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There are also foss alternatives. Install fdroid and get drip.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Drip is a horrible name for a period tracking app lol

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean at that point just call it Bleed lol

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

What an insightful comment, the_crotch

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It actually inspired me to start writing my own competing period tracking app, Margaret Plug That Up Already You're Ruining The Carpet

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago
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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago

First I thought "WTF is period data a thing that should concern the government", but then I noticed we are talking about the future Handmaids Tale country here.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

Newsweek has really trash headlines. No one’s asking, yet, so that’s a terrible headline.

(Yes I voted Kamala, and yes I did it for medical autonomy reasons as well as orange potato reasons, Vance reasons, heritage foundation reasons, and Project 2025.)

It’s still a trash headline and pretty standard fare for Newsweek. Why is it trash? Because it’s classic The Boy Who Cried Wolf. When I read this headline, I need it to be real.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why the hell period data needs to be stored on the cloud?

How much could it weight? A few Kb? Local storage!

I would never trust such data leaving my device when is no need for it whatsoever.

Aren't there any open source period tracking apps? I'll do one, it can't be that hard. An sqlite database patched to a frontend calendar and some basic predictions based on normal scenarios.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Aren’t there any open source period tracking apps?

Many. On F-Droid.

drip. menstrual cycle and fertility tracking (Open-source, non-commercial and leaves your data on your phone.) https://f-droid.org/packages/com.drip/

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Still not worth the risk to download it. Get a paper journal, they make ones that guide you through tracking all the necessary data.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Paper without some sort of code to hide what's happening isn't much better, considering if something ever happens you could get searched.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Sure I guess but you can also just leave it at home.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why do they need to save the tracked period data to a server farm? Why can't it just be saved on the phone, huh?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Probably because they want to be able to maintain users during device switches. Given much of the world is on an annual or bi-annual cycle it'd suck to lose your users each time.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They could just do the password manager approach where the data is encrypted on your phone but stored in the cloud. App retains users, sensitive data remains private.

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[–] [email protected] 323 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Research conducted by the Mozilla Foundation indicates that the app referred to in the article, Clue, gathers extensive information and shares certain data with third parties for advertising, marketing, and research reasons.

Here are some menstruation tracking apps that are open-source and prioritize user privacy by keeping your data stored locally on your device:

[–] [email protected] 122 points 2 days ago (9 children)

So the government just needs to acquire this data from one of those third parties if it wants it.

[–] [email protected] 73 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

so what they're really saying is they won't give it away for free

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Shit which reminds me. Now I have to stop using the app… and delete it.

[–] [email protected] 145 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They say that, but when Ken Paxton subpoenas them they will say they have no choice. It would be better to use an app that doesn't store this data server side at all.

[–] [email protected] 84 points 2 days ago (14 children)

FOSS Period Tracking Apps Exist: (there may be others, as well)

https://fossdroid.com/a/bluemoon.html

https://fossdroid.com/a/mensinator.html

https://github.com/TotallyMonica/foss-period-tracker

Also paper and pencil.

Also the oldest known "writing" is a stick with 28 notches on it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

source on the 28 notch stick?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago

It was some time ago that I read of that, so the details are fuzzy. And here's what I found:

https://nypost.com/2019/07/25/10000-year-old-engraved-stone-could-be-worlds-oldest-lunar-calendar/

“A 10,000-year-old engraved stone could be a lunar calendar. The rare pebble — found high up in the mountains near Rome, Italy, the hammer-stone was found on top of Monte Alta in the Alban Hills. It’s believed that our early ancestors would’ve used the stone to keep track of the moon’s cycles. Notches were engraved “as if they were being used to count, calculate or store the record of some kind of information. And these notches — which total either 27 or 28 — suggest the stone’s engraver used the pebble to track lunar cycles.” ref

It could also have been The Ishango Bone (https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-ishango-bone-the-worlds-oldest-period-tracker/)

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 days ago (1 children)

menstrual surveillance

Now that's a phrase I would've never thought I would read.

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 2 days ago

Yeah they may not cooperate with authorities, but I'm sure they'd be happy to sell it to contractors working on behalf of the government to the same ends. They already sell the info as it is.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

If you want an app that stores nothing on the cloud, check it out here on Android and here on IOS. My SO loves it!

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Haha that is some app name!

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 2 days ago (17 children)

Period tracking apps should store no data at all in the cloud.

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