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I remember an old 4chan joke from, I think, over a decade ago. It's an old memory so I hope I don't butcher it:
A 4chan user found a genie. He was tired of getting no action, so he told the genie his 1st wish was the ability to turn on sight that would let him see everyone willing to sleep with him. "Your wish is granted", replied the genie. "You can now close your eyes."
In the modern version I'd make it one of these misogynist assholes.
A decade ago is 2014 so you(probably) mean two decades ago
It's possible, I left 4chan a long time ago. I won't pretend it was ever a great place, but at least there were moments of entertaining randomness. Damn I'm old.
Boy here, identified as a boy, and definitely still covering my drink.
I had to drive a friend of a friend to the hospital because some scumfuck drugged his drink. I don't even like the guy but I obviously wasn't going to leave him like that.
When talking to the doctor I was surprised to find out that men also often get drugged and it's not talked about for some reason.
I've had it happen to friends and I'm pretty sure it happened to me once but at least in my case I think I was collateral damage. That said, without really knowing the strategies of that sort of thing hitting the wrong target seems like something that would happen fairly often if you don't care about other people which, presumably, you don't.
Had it happen to my wife-to-be when we started dating (like one week in).
We were at a party in a field, with tents and all that, and she was sat on my lap. She complained she was feeling a bit tired, stood up and after a few steps, she just collapsed on the ground. I just had the time to launch myself and catch her before she hurt herself, because she really fell like a lifeless doll.
I brought her in our tent, checked her heart rate, breath, all was normal, she was just really asleep. I was young and didn't think it was more than alcohol, but thought that she maybe had a condition, or didn't eat enough that day or something, so just decided to bid everyone goodnight to stay with her instead off calling the hospital. I stayed awake a few hours with her to make sure her vital sign didn't degrade and after some time she woke up and threw out (outside of the tent, luckily), before telling me she was okay and I could sleep.
The next morning she told me she hadn't any prior condition, had eaten correctly, hadn't drank that much, and after she collapsed she was fully conscious, just unable to move any muscle. So she heard everything I said and did, and she wanted to tell me she feels ok, but just couldn't.
It's years later that it clicked for both of us: that night, a guy at the party wanted to get some action with one of our lady friends and was very vocal about it. At one point, my girlfriend jokingly took said girl's beer from her hands and drank it, and I remember her mentioning that she must already be drunk because it tasted funny. And the said guy was a known drugs user (not a junkie, but still).
Our group of friends was pretty respectful and basically were just decent human beings overall, so we didn't think, at the time, that one of us could pull something like this out. In insight, if it had to happen, this guy was the best candidate, as an alpha male apologist and insane enough to have been fired from the army.
The irony is that he indeed ended up smashing with our friend, in the morning, when she had sobered up and consenting. And trust me, she was conscious and consenting, as we all heard, so good for her I guess.
Unfortunately we don't have any contact with both of them anymore and wouldn't know how to find them again. But this story stays in my mind forever. I cannot fathom how our friend could have lived with a rape that horrible, while still perfectly conscious and unable to even cry for help. And I cannot imagine how we would all have lived with the fact that it happened under our nose, separated by a thin layer of tent fabric.
I'm glad it didn't happen this time, but unfortunately I'm sure if he tried it that time, he tried it again with someone else, possibly wasn't his first time. And it horrifies me that we didn't think about the obvious explanation at the time so we could have warned other girls and involve the police.
"What's a woman?"
What's a man?
A miserable pile of secrets.
But enough talk, have at you!
What is love?
Baby don't hurt me
Don't hurt me
No more
There's a Lemmy Sings community out there but I'm not sure how to link it :(
I think the best response that's always worked for me is:
"Who cares!" Person riled up about this inclined to agree with me because they think I'm on the two genders "side of the debate". "Just try your best to call people what they want to be called and move on. If someone's name is x, try call them x, if they say 'I am a y', try calling them a y. If you get it wrong accidentally, oh well, just say sorry and try again. Why are we even still talking about this? It's such a non-issue"
Highly effective on those who aren't super conservative and just been swept up in the (in my opinion) astroturfed outrage.
That's why I like names, that's why we have em. When I first meet you, tell me your name and that's what I'll call you. The rest we can learn as we go
A miserable pile of secrets and lies. But enough talk, have at you!
The opposite of a man.
What is a man? A miserable pile of secrets.
Which makes a woman a joyous iota of public.
But enough talk, have at you!
🔥
Sees woman in public
"Quick! Cover your mouth! That's how they get inside you to lay their eggs!"
A woman is sugar and spice and everything nice. Until she is scorned. Then hell hath no fury.
I thought the first part only applied to little girls.
an old cake still has the same ingredients in it.
Is the latter dude calling the former a creeper? Or complaining about agency from rufinol?
he has the patriot emojis but also a pirate one so I assume he's a leftie that somehow still enjoys living in America
Idk who is that, and probably is a moron.
But it is a genuinely good question: "what's a woman?" "what's a man?" "what's gender?"
Not an easy question, with not universally accepted answer.
Honestly I think, as a cis man, cis people are probably very bad at answering the question.
humans tend ignore "harmony". When you walk through the field, do you look each blade of grass or at the cow? Do you feel "non-pain"? How could you possibly explain someone pain that doesn't know pain? Do you remember the last time, you sat next to your friend watching a show on tv, in the same detail, you remember the conflict/discussion that you had with them?
Generally we will remember and pay attention to the things that are "wrong".
If your gender is right for you, why would you pay attention? What would you even pay attention to?
If it is wrong for you, you feel the "pain", see the cow and remember the conflict.
Outside of a philosophy discussion, it's not a genuinely good question because it is irrelevant to our daily lives. In any way that matters to society, a woman is a person who says they are a woman. It's that complicated.
"Is irrelevant" and "should be irrelevant" are two different things. Fighting by saying the issues are not there—regardless of your actual opinion—has rarely, if ever, worked. It's the same as the "I don't see color" argument.
Also, why would we exclude philosophical discussion? The point is to make you think. I also don't know who this particular person is in the OP, but the question itself has no bias. Maybe this highlights our philosophical differences, but I firmly believe that understanding a system is the most crucial step to revolutionizing it.
If the question is so irrelevant, why do you even try to answer it in the same comment? Not only answering it, but also making it a fact. As if your opinion is the only one that matters and suddenly it's irrelevant when there's a different opinion.
So long as society feels it necessary to provide protections for women, the distinction has real consequences. Drawing a line anywhere is a tradeoff between inclusivity and effectiveness.
Taking the party line "high ground" stance of either conclusive self-determination or dodging the question entirely is why this question is so effective.
I'm sorry, is "conclusive self-determination" the wrong answer? Why?
Assuming good faith on the part of those involved, I don't see how inclusivity comes at the cost of effectiveness. Would you care to elaborate?
It's interesting that this question seems to be some sort of gotcha that almost always a posted response is a snarky joke. Just makes me wonder how do those people define a woman.
The actual answer is that a woman is a person who identifies as a woman. What bugs me is that conservatives disagree vehemently, but they don't seem to have a consistent answer themselves
Most of them appeal to "basic biology" but biology is anything but basic. Just because you learned about chromosomes in your high school biology course doesn't mean you're actually knowledgeable on the subject. It's much more complex than that. The best argument against this idea, in my opinion, is to bring up intersex people, which there's a huge variety of different conditions and always one that will contradict whatever they believe.
This is all ignoring the fact that none of this matters, so maybe it's best to not be baited into it at all. Gender is not something that needs some precise thing to point at. It's whatever we want it to be.
They define it in all sorts of ways where there are immediate exceptions they have to hand wave away. We have someone like that in this thread.