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Harris only received five percent of Republican votes — less than the six percent Joe Biden won in 2020 when he beat Trump, as well as the seven percent won by Hillary Clinton in 2016 when she lost to him. While Harris won independents and moderates, she did so by smaller margins than Biden did in 2020.

Meanwhile, Harris lost households earning under $100,000, while Democratic turnout collapsed. Votes are still being counted, but Harris is on pace to underperform Biden’s 2020 totals by millions of votes.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 hours ago

My take on this is that the DNC has never understood that to win the presidency in the last 20 years you need to be a fire brand.

I think this stared in 2008 with Obama who won I believe because he fired up the base with great speeches about hope and change. It didn't really happen, BUT the man knew how to give a speech. That got people inspired to do something and they voted.

Bernie was another fire brand - told it like it was and it appealed to a large population.

trump won using the same idea, but just the opposite of hope and change yet it worked. It tapped into a visceral and deep frustration that this country has left them behind.

The modern view of the American president to the population is less of a wonky politician and more of a cheerleader for big ideas, even if those ideas are abhorrent and exceedingly horrifying.

Harris just wasn't the person to pull this off, she was too wonky and it felt like the entire campaign was playing the old card of "we are not trump" Instead if they really wanted to win they would have found ( 2 years ago) a feisty out spoken progressive leaning firebrand that would have inspired people to vote for something better.

The only reason that (bland) Biden won was because of how badly trump fucked up the Covid response.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 13 hours ago

Here's a fun little tip if you're ever able to try this again.

MLK Jr. never appealed to the white man, he never tried to win over whitey nor tone down his message so that he didn't alienate his opressors, and he never tried to get the Klan on his side.

Notice how we don't have segregation anymore? It's because if Dr. King did these things, he'd have been luaghed at.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 12 hours ago

Kamalas campaign thought they could win without offending any megadonors, despite seeing what a bit of honesty did for them right after biden was replaced.

Ive never seen such obvious virtue signaling, I'm not sure kamala even believed her own words.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)

yeah this was a really fucking stupid idea and I think any Dingus on Twitter could have told you the same. The Trump voter base does not move. everyone's been saying this. I don't understand the Democrat strategy at all

I don't know what the actual numbers are on this, but I have to imagine the number of progressive voters who want more progressive policies far exceeds the number of Republicans that will vote Democrat. if anyone has a source to this data, I am interested in it.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

I don’t understand the Democrat strategy at all

Someone else summed it up better than I can. The democratic party is doing exactly what it set out to do.

Nitter link.

They have no interest in furthering progressive policies so they don't. That's why the DNC chair is calling Bernie Sander's critique of the party's platform bullshit right now, instead of admitting he's right.

The system is as it does.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 hours ago

i think some of this is true, but I don't think that they would be implementing all of the same policies. maybe all the things that they actually care about are common between the two, and that's what he means.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Democrats called those Twitter users Russian trolls. They are now advocating to restrict social media so this cannot happen again.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 14 hours ago

Ding ding ding! Trump went further right and got more support. DNC should go further left. People want radical change in 2024

[–] [email protected] 75 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

If we wanted to be Republicans we'd be Republicans for fucks sake...

We can't have 2 parties fighting to be the most hateful party of the billionaires. I mean I guess we can but only one gets to win.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

The Democrats have been chasing the mythical moderate conservative at the expense of the progressive left forever and have learned nothing. I want a fire and brimstone progressive who is belligerent and aggressive

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 hours ago

I'd even be happy to settle for someone in the middle of the party willing to fight for the party's supposed ideals. Remember when one of her slogans was "when we fight, we win"? Not "when we bipartisan, we win" or "when we coopt conservative issues, we win".

[–] [email protected] 127 points 20 hours ago (6 children)

If there’s one lesson the DNC should learn it’s this.

They won’t. But they should.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Why learn anything, the policies they want will be implemented anyway 🧠

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 15 hours ago

This. Right. Here.

Stop the triangulation it needs to die already.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah, the notion that she was going to put a Republican in her cabinet.....did anyone think that was a good idea? I mean, outside the beltway media?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I know every early on she was talking about possibly having a Republican Vice President before she wised up and went with Tim Walz and ran on his progressive ideas for about... three seconds till Nancy and the DNC told her to just do what Hillary did, as that worked for her and Kamela is obviously the second female president right now. /s

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago

Seeing Walz as her VP pick was such a win and then everything started slipping away. If you listened to her speeches you'd start to notice she was slowly leaning more conservative, slowly backpedaling on a lot of Biden admin policies even. And for some reason she was absolutely obsessed with going on right wing media outlets.

I genuinely think she's rather well spoken but what a waste of potential.

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

The Republicans had their little tea party a few years ago. The Democrats need a Guillotine Party to properly represent us.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

The Tea Party forced the GOP to rebrand and restructure itself around the most extreme right wing ideas possible

Occupy Wallstreet tried to do the same thing, and... were savagely beaten by the police over it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago

The police choose who they will protect and who they will serve.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago

Because the Tea Party was useful to just make the Republicans more unapologetically anti-government (something rich people like) while Occupy was demanding that Democrats become unapologetically antagonistic to rich people.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

They had the billionaire Koch's to fund that. We're never getting a billionaire to fund the leopard party that will eat their faces.

:(

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago

Everyone needs to let them know how strongly this article is nailing it.

https://democrats.org/contact-us/

[–] [email protected] 46 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

NO! Harris just needed to go further right. Forced goose-stepping marches at rallies. Pledges to eradicate all minorities. Promise global wars of conquest.

Outflank Trump on the right, and the republicans AND democrats will vote for you.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 18 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 35 points 20 hours ago (35 children)

So left wing Democrats responded by sitting on their hands instead of voting, knowingly allowing the country to slide into whatever authoritarian hellhole that awaits us? Now that’s the definition of pettiness.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 18 hours ago (6 children)

We kept trying to warn you.

And every time - every last fucking time - anyone told you that moving to the right was going to cause people to stay home, you lot shot the messenger. Every time someone screamed the writing on the wall out loud, centrists who were so happy that the party was finally embracing genocide and Cheney were like "Russian! Tankie! Trumpist!"

I voted for Harris. You'll blame me anyway. Democrats will always shoot the messenger and double down on their simping for fascists.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 12 hours ago

I said basically the same the article says a couple of days ago and was pelted with a gazillion negative votes. Centrists are averse to learning from mistakes, otherwise they wouldn't be centrists.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 19 hours ago (33 children)

Yes, my friend was one of them. I was shocked when 2 weeks before election he told me he was planning on not voting.

I asked why and he cited holding the same position Isreal as Biden, and courting republicans like Cheney, saying that was not a good look for the party at all.

I told him it’s not ideal, but we need to vote to keep Trump out…. Sometimes we just have to be pragmatic.

He responded saying it’s the Dem establishment that keeps allowing a boogey man like Trump to rise so they can shove center right corporatists down our throats. He said he was abstaining from voting to send a message to the DNC, and followed it up with, “we survived a first Trump term, I’m sure we can survive a second.”

[–] [email protected] 49 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

we survived a first Trump term

As long as you weren't one of the million Americans who died of COVID thanks to his misadministration.

Or the Capitol police who died as a result from his attempted insurrection.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I mean, he’s an ex-pat who was living in Hong Kong, S Korea, and Vietnam for most of Trumps first term… so I’m sure he didn’t feel it as hard as most of us who were here for it.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

"Thousands of my countrymen will perish, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make."

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 19 hours ago

Sorry dude, the problem is well beyond "leftists" and sooner or later you'll need to confront that.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

I’m not one of them, I voted a month or so in advance by mail.

But I wonder if some people are tired of the lack of change with Democrats in charge and believe that things need to get worse before they can get better.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (3 children)

The average voter mindset is "which president will get me cheaper food?"

My parents get fed propaganda from Wechat (yes that Chinese app) saying democrats are letting too much illegal immigrants in, taking up too much resources.

We are legal immigrants, but shes doesn't see "illegal immigrant" is a dogwhistle about all immigrants that they dont like like black or brown people, or anyone they deem inferior.

Doesnt help the fact that Eric Adams and NYC democrats are building homeless shelters near Chinese American population.

My parents told me some of our relatives in NYC voted Trump, Asian Americans voting trump.

They say some Asian American co-workers at their workplace are supporting Trump.

My parent say "Its fine, we survived one term under trump"

Everyone who's a US Citizen in our household voted Kamala Harris. We tried. Our state PA still went red.

My US Citizen mom once said, "maybe we shouldn't vote for democrats, look at what they did in NYC (refering to homeless shelters)", and I reminded her about the Chinese Exclusion Act. So she vote Harris because I told her to. Like she didnt have a mind of her own. If her children turned out to be conservatives, she'd vote trump. Some people just dont care about politics. Similarly, some people have apolitical children but political parents, those children then vote for who their parents vote for.

We need to fix this voter apathy. Democracy is just broken.

(oh wow didnt mean to type a paragraph, sorry for the wall of text, election results still enraging me...)

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