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You call out Russia or China, MLs think if they regurgitate "read theory" that solves my issues with them.

You call out American liberals and how they aid fascists, you're calling a secret Trump supporter.

You say that genocide is an evil action, liberals and Tankies will defend their favorite country's actions because you're a shill for the enemy if you do.

You say America did something kinda good, you're somehow a neolib in disguise. You lightly praise the USSR, you're Stalin's second cousin as an AI.

I just don't want people harmed by a government force. Fuck me, I guess? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills for applying the same morals to every politician and country, even ones I live in or slightly like.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago
if we want anything to change
we've got to do it on our own
just know
you're not alone
[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 hours ago

tbh like, have you tried any other social media? lemmy's honestly pretty cool for anarchists comparatively, i suppose except for the fact that it's too small to spend all your tine in explicitly anarchist spaces. Yeah it's not amazing but that's pretty nuch inevitable with any large and relatively diverse group of people

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 hours ago

Marxist-leninist

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago

Likely referring to the lemmy.ml instance. We tend to have a reputation of being tankie.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

It's hard being anything these days because actions speak a lot louder than your internal ego.

Reassess your values, then reassess your interactions with strangers.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 18 hours ago

from what you've typed here, it doesn't sound like you're expressing very thought-out arguments.

everything is a broad stroke or a defensive sarcastic poke.

your account is only 2 weeks old and this is your first post.

I just checked your comment history, a lot of your comments look designed to antagonize people and you use broad terms like fascist a lot without adding anything relevant to the conversation.

If you comment on specific policies without coming to a knee -jerk directly insulting holistic conclusion you probably won't be called out as often.

imagine that the people you are talking to are real people and how willing they would be to engage with your ideas if you said to a person face to face the things you are writing.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 12 hours ago

Annoying being an anarchist (or variants, dv incoming) in life, pretty standard, every time I've tried, that's your moral/ethical choice, stand by, take strength from whatever you do, and change what you can.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 14 hours ago

Get used to it, anarchists pick losing fights against the whole world

[–] [email protected] 16 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

I don't know if Varyk's claim of your style of engagement is true, I haven't looked at your comment history, so I'll respond to what you've faced regardless of if you've attracted more disagreement than strictly needed.

Being an anarchist, and being super direct and upfront about your views, is going you get you some ire no matter where you go.

The reason is, generally speaking, you're looking through history and systems of power with a lens that makes the problems with those other systems quite glaring.

The people who have adopted those other systems and ideologies will have already accepted the cognitive dissonance that comes with them, and they're not going to take kindly to your nuanced opinion that makes them have to reevaluate their cognitive dissonance again. It's much easier to dismiss or attack you instead.

Now there are ways of softening your critiques and opinions to make them less liable to attract anger, such as adopting the Mr.Rogers style, but sometimes that can be too soft, depending on the context. You'll have to decide when that's appropriate for yourself.

Also, bear in mind that while sometimes your viewpoints and arguments will gather hatred no matter what you do, and it can seem hopeless to express your views, as though it does no good; there are many more neutral lurkers than there are people who engage with you directly, and you'll be having an outsized impact on that group just by having that counter arguement or viewpoint available for them to compare, which may unknowingly be changing minds for the better.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe its their right to tell you your opinions suck in their eyes

Also "liberals", using that therm for US democrat voters will make you look like a Trump supporter in the eyes of basically everyone.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

I see you've never seen the other half of Lemmy, aka "the tankies." They know exactly what op means by liberals and they hate them more than they hate conservatives.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 16 hours ago

Although they use it the same way, anyone outside the reactionary in-group.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 15 hours ago

Oh, ive seen lemmygrad, but i don't count them as people.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 17 hours ago

You're wrong, having any firm opinion is annoying on Lemmy. Everyone here is the most difficult person in their social circle and we will throw hands

[–] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Welcome to humanity, I guess. We're full of contractions and no matter your opinion, someone will hate you for it.

I wouldn't worry too much about it and just focus on your own beliefs first. You'll never start a conversation with someone or change their opinion if you only tell them how they are wrong. And I'm not just trying to single you out. In fact, the people you are complaining about do the same thing. As soon as someone's beliefs are put into questions they will do anything to defend it no matter how irrational it is and will even contradict themselves just to prove that one belief.

As an example, unless you're a straight up piece of shit or a bigot I can't find a reason to actually support innocent people getting killed or hurt. But if someone supported a person/people before shit got worse, they'll try and justify it and believe there must be a reason. It's kinda like a toxic relationship. Someone will stay in a relationship with someone for years with abuse, but because they love them they'll try and justify it and believe they must have deserved it. It's really easy to see shit from the outside, but from the inside you want to believe there is a reason and that you are right. No matter what. Because if you're wrong, what do you even stand for?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

Welcome to humanity, I guess. We're full of contractions and no matter your opinion, someone will hate you for it.

Counter argument! Saying you like to eat cake will probably not give you hate from sane people.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago

NGL I do think less of people who eat cake if I'm honest. Not like super openly and I'd never use that as judgement, but gut feeling-wise? Yeah

[–] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Assuming you mean a cake that involves eggs, milk and/or butter, I'd bet you could find some vegans who would be angry.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

And if you made it with fake eggs, milk and/or butter, you would make even more people angry!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

That's fucking disgusting. Ground up murdered plants and chicken ovulation. I hate you.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 15 hours ago

See, you love me!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

government

You're not the right kind of anarchist

[–] [email protected] 13 points 16 hours ago

You’re not the right kind of anarchist

I think doing this is unkind and wasting a chance to educate a (potential) companion.

@OP When you use "goverment" instead of state, some people get reminded of american right wingers and right-wing libertarians which use that word most often in the public discourse. Most anarchist use different vocabulary like "state" because its clearer defined and because it is based on anarchist theory that goes back hundreds of years. Personally I think its pretty clear what you are talking about in that sentence and its unfair to call you "not the right kind of anarchist" because of that.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

For using the word government??? What kind of crazy gatekeeping is this?