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i'm sure everyone can be normal about this post yes?

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Some of you are literally watching the right wing continuously try to expand the definition of "pedophilia" to include "existing around a child while queer," and then agreeing with them when they say pedophiles deserve to be summarily executed.

Not only does this place innocent people in danger of political executions, it also puts children in danger, as most children who are sexually abused have this done by someone close to them, and feelings that they would be responsible for the death of their abuser if they reported leads to lower rates of reporting. It also leads to higher rates of abusers murdering their victims when they're found out because the punishment will be the same anyway.

Part of being on the left is realizing that it's better to let 100 guilty men go free than to wrongly convict one. Another part of being on the left is realizing that one's life is never something others have the right to take away- even the most evil people alive. Yes, that includes mass murderers and rapists and pedophiles. Once you make one group acceptable to kill, you give others a vested interest in defining groups they have prejudice against into that group.

You have to start dealing with the fact that no crime makes one's life forfeit. Not even the worst most depraved and sadistic acts. The worst people alive have rights, and if you can't accept that they deserve them, at least try to accept that it is to your benefit that they retain rights no matter what they're accused of. And if you can't do even that, well... you just might be the kind of person who would cut off your nose to spite your face.

If you want to protect victims, if you want to protect minority groups, you have to realize that sex crimes, or any crimes at all, do not deserve the death penalty. Period.

brettdoesdiscourse replies:
When a certain kind of person "deserves" to die, bigots will make sure marginalized groups all are that kind of person.

little-gay-dowitcher replies:
My former neighbors were the “kill all pedos” type. They were also incredibly transphobic. And I was visibly queer. So guess who got stalked, harassed and threatened all throughout the brief period of time they babysat for their friend?

Stop enabling fascists. They’ve already proven they’re willing to attack minorities for no reason. Don’t give them a chance to excuse it.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

I’m okay with fascists and other repeat offender threats to the planet being thrown in a prison forever. They don’t have to die and no one has the right to determine whose life is forfeit and whose isn’t. But if they repeatedly endanger the lives of others, including animals, they need to be away from society.

Texas is set to execute yet another person and Missouri executed an innocent man despite the DA’s objection and new evidence.

The death penalty is acceptable for people like Netanyahu.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Disagree, lots of stuff can void your right to life. The issue with killing people, even those who deserve it, is that Innocents can be caught up in that.

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[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The broad argument fails, for the same reason as 'banning Nazis makes you as bad as the Nazis.'

Bad faith only works because it resembles good faith. It's an irrational abuse of a decent argument. That abuse does not disprove the argument. If we avoid things just because some asshole can abuse them, we are paralyzed, because there is absolutely nothing that assholes cannot abuse.

Maximizing everyone's freedom and dignity means having some restrictions.

Maximizing who survives means some violent bastards get got.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't think the argument does fail. OP is not arguing against killing in the heat of the moment in self-defence or whatever. OP is arguing specifically about executions after the fact. The only way "maximizing who survives" would be relevant is if you believe capital punishment is a deterrent, and that is arguable.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Vigilante violence is the initial example. The death penalty, as a state function, only comes up incidentally.

The broad argument is what's echoed in the replies: 'we can't do [blank] for good reasons, because what if they do it for bad reasons.' As if doing anything to fascists, which fascists want done to all non-fascists, is double-reverse-secretly "enabling fascists." But even those replies point out - they're already fucking doing it. "They're willing to attack minorities for no reason."

Fascists will always MAKE an excuse. Usually, whichever one seems popular, especially the ones about stopping them in particular. They'll pick two opposite excuses in the same sentence. Their shameless lying doesn't disprove the rhetoric they stole. This is as true when it's accusations of making shit up, as when it's suggestions of bringing a brick to a rally.

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