Source: https://linux-hardware.org/?view=os_display_server
Reporting is done by users who voluntarily upload their system specs via
# hw-probe -all -upload
Reporting is done by users who voluntarily upload their system specs via
# hw-probe -all -upload
So not skewed at all...
Do you have a better way of measuring it?
In what direction would voluntary self-reporting of all system specs skew the display server statistic (and why)?
Do you have a better way of measuring it?
No better way of measuring doesn't mean this is a good way of measuring.
What way do you imagine would be more precise?
What way do you imagine would be more precise?
Unavoidable analytics, apparently. Yay?
Why would it be skewed? What would be the cause for a subset of linux users, that upload hardware probes with extraneous information about their display server, to skew the extraneous data?
I wonder how representative that is of actual software used. I would imagine hardware probes are run from installers and live systems quite frequently. I would certainly not expect several percentage points of "neither" in practical settings.
"Neither" are Linux systems that don't use a display server, i.e. CLI only systems.
Yeah, but when was the last time you decided to upload hardware device data for a root server to some hardware survey? That is something almost exclusively done by the kind of people who want to show off their system in some way.
Especially on servers I make sure to attend in the software packages survey. Just so that the holy-gods and kings of maintainers are aware of me, the peasant running old packages.
No yield saya. I'm sorry.
Counterpoint: OS market share from the corresponding BSD-hardware site:
Four kinds of blue in that graph.
Not really surprising considering that (IIRC) it's the default on the Gnome variants of Ubuntu, Debian and Fedora
But keep in mind that voluntary data tends to be pretty skewed
voluntary data tends to be pretty skewed
Yea and a strangely (to me) large proportion of people seem vehemently opposed to apps even asking to collect usage data, which is incredibly helpful for developers, putting aside the more controversial things like privacy/marketing uses of the data.
Personally I don't believe for one second that Wayland has actually surpassed the install base of X11-like display servers.
Those poor Nvidia users lol.
I'm currently on Wayland with Nvidia hardware and it's running fine tbh
yup, same. especially after explicit sync lands in a couple of days, even the rest of the minor problems should vanish.
I can't wait for my GPU to not be at 70c running Firefox.
Same here. With the exception of the explicit sync, which will hopefully be resolved this week, I have been running Plasma 6 wayland since February. And honestly when I tried the X11 version it had more issues.
I mean, by now everyone should know not to buy Nvidia hardware if you want to run Linux on it.
It's been more than 10 years since Linus' finger to Nvidia.
Sorry. Wife's Christmas present. She wanted to surprise me. Gotta make do.
“Everyone” who wants to be informed, but linux is also for the unconcerned or for newcomers.
Not to mention the monopoly that nvidia has on laptops.
Linux is becoming more and more popular on the desktop because it is now well suited for gaming. In addition to Proton, you also have to consider all the handhelds like SteamDeck. Valve certainly doesn't want an Nvidia product with crumbling proprietary drivers. With AMD, Nvidia could see that there is a market for it and has now established itself. It was only logical that Nvidia would not stand still. They will do everything to dominate the market as well.
Wayland works way better for me than X. GTX 1660
I've switched to X11 last week, because kwin_wayland crashes each time my monitor enters low-power mode.
Gotta resoect the tty. Consistently consitent
respects to "unknown" and tty users.
fuck display servers. All my homies love ASCII display tech.
Seeing unknown: "What's he building in there? ...we have a right to know."
TTY through telekinesis
There's Twin.
~~I will add some more once i'm home.~~
You know what? I'll just dump this here:
Crazyy!
Btw I am XWayland free since today!
I have a list of recommended apps here
Some apps need environment variables:
Qt:
GTK
Electron
You can use xlsclients -l to detect apps using XWayland.
Some may even want to run apps through XWayland on purpose, like KeepassXC for Clipboard access or autotype. Lets see how long it takes to implement all the needed protocols.
Should I consider switching? X11 just works and I’d need to rewrite all my config and I don’t really have the time rn.
No
Voluntarily uploaded data? This feels like that old linux user count site.
I will run that probe on my machines to contribute, though.
Is this because of me?
I tried switching to Wayland on Mint, it did not go well. Unfortunately I do not care to follow an hour long guide to figure out how to get it to run games properly.
Mint Wayland support is experimental and was released in Mint 21.3 ~3 months ago
The Wayland session isn't as stable as the default (X11) one. It lacks features and it comes with its own limitations.
It was added as a preview for people interested in Wayland and as an easy way for them to test if they want to give us feedback.
A board was set up to keep track of Wayland development. It’s available at https://trello.com/b/HHs01Pab/cinnamon-wayland.
A dedicated Github repository was created for issues related to Wayland, whether they need fixing in Cinnamon, in an XApp project, a Mint tool or anything software project we maintain: https://github.com/linuxmint/wayland.
In terms of timing Wayland support doesn't need to be fully ready (i.e. to be a better Cinnamon option for most people) before 2026 (Mint 23.x). That leaves us 2 years to identify and to fix all the issues. It’s something we’ll continue to work on and improve release after release.
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