I love Voyager, DS9 and TNG. 90s were the best time for trek.
Enterprise not so much, but it was getting pretty good by the end.
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In the 90s it felt like we may be working towards that idealism, aftwards...not so much. Plus after mid 2000s/2010 everything wanted to be gritty which doesn't work for Star Trek. That said I haven't watched any series since Enterprise(on my list just not up there), but the recent movies felt less like Star Trek than the TNG ones.
Watch Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds! Lower Decks is a little Rick and Morty-ish in the first season but it's still good. This is coming from someone who really doesn't like DISCO or Picard.
Check out Strange New Worlds. It's the trekkiest of all the new new treks.
I feel like the only way gritty can work for Star Trek is if they set it entirely in the mirror universe where everyone is a dick.
You know, I think you've got it. The pitch for Enterprise was "What if we went back in time before even TOS when everyone was significantly shittier?"
I've only seen the original movie, but I don't see how anyone can top Chris Pine and Zachary Quinto.
I hate you with every fiber of my being, and with the intensity of a thousand supernovae!
Good work!
Star Trek The Beginning is 15 fucking years old now!
I'm going to bed...
I know you're joking but I have a friend who's like that; their introduction to Star Trek were the 2009 movies and afterwards they started watching a bit of the previous series but never really got into it. So they keep telling me how amazing the 2009 movies are (I've seen them all once around the time the released, I don't recall a lot of the plot, just that I found them to be very un-star trek, they watched them religiously) and how hot all the actors are and I just roll my eyes and say "yeah yeah, suuure". Still love them, despite their weird Star Trek opinions.
Sounds like me. The Kelvin timeline movies were my first introduction to Star Trek, and everybody in them is hot. Now I’m on the second season of DS9 (sorry, couldn’t get through the first season of TNG, even though I wanted to).
Uh, Voyager aired in 1995 so if you’re 30 now, you would be 1 year old when it aired. Would have been 2 years old when Janeway and Paris had lizard sex. Timothée “Paul Wonka” Chalamet wasn’t even born when Voyager premiered.
When Seska was betraying the crew, Square released Final Fantasy 7.
Voyager encountered the Borg and met Seven about when Baby Hit Me One More Time was released.
When Janeway finally got Voyager home, Drake was starting his career on DeGrassi.
Yeah but not everyone lives in the US, other places got it later, and reruns exist, yet usually stop after a few years.
Slightly off topic.
I was watching a Tom Baker / 4th Doctor episode where someone refers to the Prime Minister as "she." Naturally I assumed that they were referring to Thatcher. Turns out that the episode was made before Thatcher took office, and the writers were being wild and futuristic by making the leader a woman.
Yeah I was TV-watching age at that time and something I've watched as new when I was under 10 does is something I might describe as "old", depending on context.
But if you are 39 now, you were 10 when it aired.
I am 43, and was 14 when the first episode aired
It seems like quite often, for myself included, "the best Star Trek show" is the one you first grew up with.
So it will always be TOS for me.
I don't dislike any Star Trek show, but TOS was my first love.
TOS is Star Trek in my mind, even though TNG competes with it for my favorite. The adventures of Kirk/Spock & crew are the core of Star Trek, and it feels like everything since is an encore because of how incredibly beloved it was.
I have a friend who doesn't like the (quote) "new Star Trek shows". That's anything produced after 1969. He grew up with TOS.
He's enjoying SNW though, so there may be hope for him. 😄
That tells me he likes Star Trek when it was the "wild west" in space.
Understandable.
TNG is the definitive Star Trek for me. I don’t think DS9 or Voyager would have existed had TNG not been a success. They also appear to be in the same universe, all three had similar aesthetics and had crossover between them. TOS always felt a bit dated to me in the 90s, most of the stuff after didn’t really catch my interest.
I had a conversation with my dad about newtrek and for him "the new series" was Enterprise. I mean it was for me too until discovery aired a few years ago
I didnt have anyone to guide me in my late-90's pre-teen years. It was only with Jessie Gender's reccomendation that I dipped my toe in to lower decks, and then friends i met told me about DS9 being "the queer one", which got me hooked.
Dont get me wrong, I'd seen TNG episodes growing up...unfortunately the connection/click just didnt get made. (I circled back, dont worry)
Now for the heresy: From my perspective, the newer stuff, which folks so often gripe "change the format too much" or whichever (I wont even humor the bad-faith bigots complaints about how they cant slur people for intrinsic traits just for existing) -- I enjoy Strange New Worlds and Discovery a lot. They address something that Star Trek didnt (when I was young and media illiterate and taken in my bang-boom-Halo-style-scifi: i could suspend my disbelief. The costumes in TNG and even DS9 had taken me out of it before i ever got into it. No shade to designers...i see now the wonderful theatre they were making room for...and hey, Im a queer-anarchist so making things more easily digestable is the opposite of what i dig...but maybe consider that someone super enthused about a newer show may well be on their own path to a new appreciation for the older series <3
🎶 It's been a long time…
jesus christ, what’s that terrible noise?
Getting from there to here
Is it just me or does anyone else see a falling person holding a newspaper in one hand
I haven't even hit 30 yet and it's weird to hear Voyager called old. I grew up watching TNG and sometimes TOS with my mom. It was one of the few good parts of my childhood. It took me forever just to stop referring to Voyager and Enterprise as "the new stuff."
33 here, but honestly, TNG, VOY, and DS9 are definitely older Trek. They were the second gen, but still all felt like a close iteration from TOS. It was when I saw Enterprise that I went all...
I prefer ancient, like TNG.
Don't mind me - just going to browse the AARP sign up page now.
Enterprise was fantastic if you cut out the time travel episodes.
Voyager took a long time to find itself and it was disappointing the direction they took with it.
DS9 was a lame story with fantastic characters.
I am getting towards the end of a ds9 rewatch (one episode before bed most nights) and I’m getting so happy to get to a voyager rewatch! It’s months away but still. (Not that I don’t like ds9, particularly the latter half.)
Was Ensign Kim over 30 at the start of Voyager? Which series has a cast under 30?
Kim (Garret Wang) was 26. Kes (Jennifer Lien) was 20. Paris (Robert Duncan McNeil) was 30, rounding out the youngest 3 main cast members. The Doctor and Chakotay were the oldest, both at 41.
TNG had Will Wheaton at 15, Denise Crosby (Tasha) at 29, and LeVar Burton at 30. And Stewart (49), Spinner (38), and McFadden (38) as the oldest.
George Takei was the baby of TOS at 29, followed by Koenig (Chekov) at 30 (when he joined a year later, so same age as Takei), and Nichols (Uhura) at 33. Doohan (Scotty) and Kelley (Bones) were both 46 and Shatner and Nimoy both 35. They all lived through WWII (and both Scotty and Bones served, Scotty took some friendly fire on D-day while Bones did training movies for the air force).
DS9 set some new extremes, with Lofton (little Sisko) at 14, Siddig (Bashir) 27, and Farrel (Jadzia) 29. On the other end, Auberjonois (Odo) was 52, followed by Brooks (big Sisko) 44, and Shimerman (Quark) 43.
Enterprise had Park (Hoshi) at 23, Blalock 26, and Montgomery (Travis) 30. Bakula (Archer) was 46, Billingsley (Phlox) 41, and Keating (Reed) 39.
Those are all main cast members, there have been other supporting actors both older and younger than those listed.
Thank you. That is wildly more informative than I had expected.
I was also curious and it was interesting getting a better idea of how old they all were, considering when I first watched them all, they were pretty much all "adults" to me because anything from like 20 to 65 was just one category lol.
NOW I feel old!
😩
Danson had a similar exchange with Woody Harrelson on "Cheers."
Ted = Sometimes I like to get out the really old rock and roll, The Drifters, The Marvellettes, bands like that. You ever listen to the old stuff.
Woody = Not me, but my Mom really likes Devo.
The only Star Trek I've seen is TOS
If so, do yourself a favor and watch "Star Trek II : The Wrath of Khan."
imho as a TOS fan, it's the pinnacle.
I've heard so much about it, it's on my list for sure!