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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago

I genuinely thought it was going to end with something silly like a "your mom" joke

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

hmm, I imagine the then 2 prevalent systems of neoliberal capitalism and soviet-style "communism" to be a pretty terrible combination actually. Although I believe I get what he was trying to say about individual rights within an economy of the commons(or at least thats how I interpret it).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I can't follow, would you elaborate? Sounds like an interesting debate :)

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The funny combination would be to combine the single party authoritarian structure with a completly unregulated economy for maximum carnage :P

As far as I underatand the quote, hes talking about needing a socialist system where the rights of individuals are respected and protected, but factories, housing etc is owned and and managed by the commons.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

That kinda sounds like the goal of socialism to me, with a state managing the societal functions but the workers owning the means of production but still in a capitalist environment

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

funny, "we all lift together" started playing in my head.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I love stumbling about references to this game

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Your first paragraph pretty much describes the PRC.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Smaller groups of humans (villages, households, ...?) could decide among themselves whether they prefer to live together by capitalist or communist principles. These smaller groups could function within a larger federation - a bit like the fediverse with its smaller instances where each can decide their own internal rules.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

yeah, thats probably a really unstable combination, as the internal logic of capitalism requires infinite growth, so the capitalist parts will be strongly incentivised to expand into and consume the communist parts.

But maybe different kinds of socialist communities could federate like this?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

That's roughly the idea of Anarchism, Democratic Confederalism, and how the Zapatistas govern themselves. But they're all anti-capitalist.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This reads so much like a Mussolini quote that I am stunned it's actually real (at least as real as any e-quote is).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Capitalism on the one hand, communism on the other... man, I just support a Third Position!