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[–] [email protected] 129 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Did he try pulling himself up by the bootstraps? What about not having an iPhone? Starbucks coffee? Avocado toasts?

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

One of the greatest money saving tips we got up here in Canada is that cancelling Disney plus ($12/month plus taxes) would help struggling families deal with inflation and make ends meet.

Thanks chrystia freeland, you out of touch ghoul. That $12 a month will surely overcome the several hundred dollars a month increase in costs to food, shelter, and gasoline/heat since 2019.

To be non partisan, the federal leader of the opposition also suggested Canada could opt out of inflation by embracing bitcoin, right before it Collapsed 60%

As you can see, the people in charge up here have nothing but the best, most well thought out advice for the average Canadian and those bootstraps will be pulled up any day now.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I feel your pain. Canadian conservatives are doing exactly the same BS as the ones in the US. Conservatism is the problem, no matter what is the name of party/country/society.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

Conservatism is the problem, no matter what is the name of party/country/society.

I wish more people understood this. Conservatism is the problem in Iran and China too.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

And they're being weird about it too, from what I've heard.

It's like they forgot that the US and Canada are different countries

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I bet he's even got a fridge!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This reference will never not make my blood boil. Fuck Fox ”news”.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

For a while, mainstream/right wing news especially told voters that many people under the poverty line couldn't be that badly off since such and such a percent of them had basic conveniences in their living places, like fridges, dishwasher, etc. It was one of those 90s strategies to create resentment against public programs.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Maybe his public defender will suggest to take the plea since their caseload is too large

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Come on, give the guy a break. He's trying! Everyone knows he's only buying economy hair dye.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

He destroyed his legal career to defend Trump. He went on news channels and pointedly said that it’s normal for a lawyer to pay off hush money and never tell a client. His own law firm fired him because nobody wants a lawyer that spends such massive amounts of your money without telling you. Then he told so many lies that his law license was suspended by the bar for unprofessional behavior and disgracing the legal profession. And after all that, Trump refused to pay him because he didn’t like the outcome of the case.

NOW Giuliani is being sued by the poll workers he slandered and had their lives threatened, and Giuliani admitted to the court that he doesn’t have enough money to fight the case and won’t put up a defense. That’s in addition to the lawsuits against him by Dominion and Smartmatic which are still in progress.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm imagining Rudy going bankrupt and ending up in prison for the rest of his life, with his entire legacy reduced to his failure to defend an orange-skinned pig.

And now I can't wipe this smile off my face.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Only thing that would make it better is if he had to listen to said orange pig all day every day for the rest of his life because they are bunkmates

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

He's also being sued by his former employee whom he sexually assaulted/harassed (I'm not saying allegedly because he was recorded doing it). I believe she's looking for a couple million dollars. And then of course there's the criminal indictment, with probably more to come. I'd imagine his only source of income, apart from any investments he might have, is speaker fees from shitty Trump aligned group events, maybe he can write a book to raise cash. America's mayor is fucked.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

There's likely a bottomless pit of gullible neckbeard R's that will contribute if he starts a gofundme.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It's like he watched too much Boston Legal and thought he was Denny.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago

I guess he shouldn't have been a traitor to our country then.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Alright this is just too juicy to ignore.

In civil litigation, the plaintiff will often seek discovery of the defendant's finances, insurance policies, etc to find out if the defendant will ultimately be able to pay a judgement. Looks like Guliani is trying to avoid that because he's embarrassed he's broke:

While the former mayor has declined in court to provide details of his financial state, his lawyers wrote this week that “producing a detailed financial report is only meant to embarrass Mr. Giuliani and draw attention to his misfortunes.”

The article also cited campaign disclosures showing Trump's PAC was paying Guliani's bills related to record storage and production, at a cost of $300k. But it sounds like Trump cut him off:

On Wednesday, Katz argued Giuliani did not have the funds to pay for producing records in a lawsuit brought by voting technology company Smartmatic, adding that the “third-party source” that paid for his earlier bill was “not willing to give any additional money.”

By May, Giuliani was more than $320,000 behind in payments to the document hosting company, according to a sworn statement he made in court. “I do not have the funds to pay this amount at this time,” he wrote. 

He negotiated for a year with what his lawyers say were “third-party funding sources” for help in paying his legal bills, and awaited funding for six months for help with the Trustpoint bill, according to Giuliani’s filing this week in the Smartmatic case. But the $340,000 payment [previous one time payment from Trump's PAC to catch Guliani up on data hosting bills] isn’t enough to cover more searches, Trustpoint “will not extend any further credit” to him, and his bill to keep his data held by the company will keep growing by the month, his court filings say. On Wednesday, the New York state judge in that case gave Giuliani two weeks to find the money needed to produce the records to Smartmatic. If he fails to do so, the judge said Giuliani would be forced to pay some of Smartmatic’s legal costs.

What is fun is if he doesn't produce documents he may ultimately get sanctioned with negative inferences (instruction to the jury that they should assume anything Guliani didn't turn over was basically a smoking gun against him) or a default judgement as to liability (see Alex Jones). He's fucked lol. Damn I am never not fascinated by the epic fall of Guliani.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Your last comment might be the most salient

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

“This is not merely an excuse that Giuliani trudges out when required to produce documents,” his latest filing said.

I believe I recall that he ran away to avoid being served his court docs.

Def not a pattern of behavior. You can trust him. /s

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

he may ultimately get sanctioned with negative inferences (instruction to the jury that they should assume anything Guliani didn’t turn over was basically a smoking gun against him)

Is there precedent for this? It's not like he's refusing to turn over records, he's just unable to due to financial hardships (allegedly, he could be lying I guess). If it were anybody else, that would be an incredibly fucked up thing for the courts to do to somebody.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Your right, it's usually when the defendant is engaging in bad faith, like purposely hiding documents. The case I remember, defendant intentionally refused to turn over a bad document and might even have destroyed it, but one of the law clerks at defendant's firm decided to be a whistleblower. I don't know if there's specific precedent for this if the grounds are just I'm to broke to conduct a search, but it's possible. It's usually a last resort, the judge will just keep issueing fines and attorneys fees for a few months. But at some point the case needs to move forward in the interst of justice, and the judge is going to have to figure out a way to do that if Guliani won't turn over the documents needed for the case. I doubt the "I'm too broke" excuse is going to hold up forever.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago

A) This is entirely self-inflicted.

B) Guiliani is worth somewhere around $40-45 million, he's not going to be eating ramen or selling blood.

C) Anyway ...

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Just imagine if he hadn't hitched his wagon to the S.S. Trumptanic. He could be working a comfy legal/political analyst position at Fox News or CNN and not have to worry about losing his license, his credibility, his money, and his freedom. Oh well.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He could have remained, "America's Mayor," that 9/11 hero guy. Now he's America's Traitor.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Seriously, how can you possibly look at his history of dealings and not know, going in, he's going to screw you over / toss you under the bus the moment things get dicey.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

If only he could get a plea deal and make it all go away.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

That's OK. An attorney can be appointed to him.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hmmm. Was he ever paid by his last client? How unusual.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

His most recent job was unpaid intern for Convicted Sex Offender Treason Trump

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

a $20,000 monthly fee to a company to host his electronic records, $15,000 or more for a search of his records

Props to the tech company ripping this guy off

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Good thing Trump is a loyal friend who always pays his lawyers fully.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Hope he can scrape together enough doing Cameo clips. Couldn't be happening to a better person.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Let's all dig deep for the little guy....

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Maybe Four Seasons Landscaping can hire him.

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