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[–] [email protected] 273 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Replacing physical controls with touch buttons continues to be an incredibly dumb idea. Luckily several other manufactures who hopped on the trend are realizing it was a bad choice.

[–] [email protected] 114 points 10 months ago (17 children)

Is nobody gonna mention this horrible KITT steering wheel?!? That damn thing is dangerous.

[–] [email protected] 123 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Yeah round wheels are not a fuckin style choice. It’s so you can grab it anywhere in any situation. This steering wheel looks fuckin deadly

[–] [email protected] 25 points 10 months ago (3 children)

They are the worst drivers by infractions. Dead wheel is a culling tool.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It’s great for Tesla, for one reason - modularity.

If your input/control has a physical button, that immediately needs independent wiring, assembly steps, A THOUGHT OUT PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT PLAN, another BoM item to build the car/widget, and usually markings that limit its use for other functions (present and planned).

Tesla can bury controls and change interfaces as much as they like on the main touchscreen, or even add new features. It’s still trash for driver usability except when parked for all the obvious reasons, but hey they get to ‘push’ new features over cellular networks as they’re developed. Y’know, instead of selling a complete product in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

If your input/control has a physical button, that immediately needs independent wiring

No it doesn't. It just needs a PCB and a microcontroller connected to a CANbus. And that's what we've had for decades.

another BoM item to build the car

I don't really understand this either. Like yes, it is, but if we're taking that approach, why not remove the door panels? And the trunk liner? And that pesky center console? Oh what's that, these are all valuable features of the car?

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[–] [email protected] 166 points 10 months ago (3 children)

For those that don't want to read the article:

Tesla is going with buttons on the steering wheel instead of a stick to the left of the wheel

[–] [email protected] 141 points 10 months ago (8 children)

Tesla is going with buttons on the steering wheel instead of a stick to the left of the wheel

Its even worse than that. The buttons are smooth surface (like a touch screen) with haptic feedback. These are truly a horrible idea:

If I had one of these Tesla cars I'd look into retrofitting the stalks back in.

[–] [email protected] 93 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If you buy a Tesla at this point, you deserve to be stuck with it.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 10 months ago (2 children)

They might get in trouble with EU laws if they do it here as well...

[–] [email protected] 25 points 10 months ago

Gotta love good regulation.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago

Holy shit that's worse than how the article put it

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[–] [email protected] 79 points 10 months ago (9 children)

Wtf, seriously? I've tried using media buttons on the steering wheel during a turn. It's not reliable in the slightest, because it's a moving target.

Does the non circular steering non-wheel never go past 90 degrees or something?

[–] [email protected] 39 points 10 months ago

I once accidentally dialed 911 from my steering wheel phone buttons while pulling a turn. Surprised the shit out of me and the dispatcher didn’t sound like this was the first call of the type. This is a fucking terrible idea.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Tbf you are supposed use the signal before turning wheel

[–] [email protected] 80 points 10 months ago (39 children)

Covered in the article. In Norway you are required to signal when exiting a roundabout. It's a fair concern.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Just in civilized countries, not only Norway.

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 10 months ago

In addition to roundabouts, there are plenty of freeway exists that loop around where you can be at an extreme turn and need to initiate a lane change. Or making a right turn into a gas station after a left turn at an intersection... lots of use cases.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 10 months ago (11 children)

In Norway, you have to indicate your exit in a roundabout by activating your turn signal, and he found it difficult while turning the steering wheel, which you have to do in a roundabout. A driving student would fail their test if they don’t activate their turn signal in a roundabout in Norway.

He said:

I tested the Model 3, and noticed that I lost both focus and direction in roundabouts. It’s not directly life-threatening, but you run the risk of both driving on curbs and other cars if there are two lanes.

After posting his findings in a group for driving schools, he was met with agreement by many other instructors who said that they experienced the same issue and the risk is much higher with students.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 10 months ago (3 children)

It's like car features that have been around for 70+ years are the way they are for a reason.

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[–] [email protected] 114 points 10 months ago (11 children)

Tesla’s reasoning for going away with a method universally used for signaling turn for decades is that it enables them to remove a physical part, the stalk, and it believes activating a turn signal will soon be unnecessary with the advent of self-driving.

Why the hell do billionaires keep laughing in our faces? I swear every time one of them or their companies opens their mouth, it's like they're making fun of us, the poor people.

"We care about your privacy" — (they don't) "a turn signal will soon be unnecessary" etc.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

a turn signal will soon be unnecessary with the advent of self-driving

That's like not including a stick for the manual transmission, because the automatic one is just around the corner.

I wish I possessed this kind of optimism in my daily life :D

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[–] [email protected] 101 points 10 months ago (11 children)

The new Tesla Model 3 should be banned from the whole of Europe until they put the indicator stalk back. It is virtually impossible to safely and legally traverse a roundabout without it.

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[–] [email protected] 98 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Tesla’s reasoning for going away with a method universally used for signaling turn for decades is that it enables them to remove a physical part, the stalk, and it believes activating a turn signal will soon be unnecessary with the advent of self-driving.

Spit my drink up a bit when I read that.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 10 months ago

Meanwhile Teslas are quickly building a reputation of being impossible to repair, so replacing an industry standard component that never breaks for a digital system is a great way to keep the title.

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[–] [email protected] 87 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Yeah, it's not designed with roundabouts, (i.e. road infrastructure designed with logic and common sense) in mind.

[–] [email protected] 92 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's not designed with any common sense in mind. They just figured they could a) cut costs and b) make the vehicle look "cleaner", because Musk and the people who work for him are intellectually incurious morons who refuse to learn why things are designed the way they are before trying to reinvent them.

The thing about breaking the rules is that if you want to really do it well, you have to understand why those rules exist in the first place. That's hard to do when you start from the position of just assuming that you're smarter than everyone else.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago (4 children)

i am not sure they even kept the cost down since they had to reintroduce the option of normal steering wheels, this just another case of Musk thinking it looks cool so it should be, but then done poorly because they don't have the engineering expertise to do it properly like lexus did it

This is just another case of Cybertruck shit.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 10 months ago

It was designed to cut costs and hope fanbois would think it was innovation. It's so dangerous a change it should be banned in countries where drivers are expected to properly indicate while traversing roundabouts.

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[–] [email protected] 86 points 10 months ago (9 children)

I didn't realize Tesla's even came with turn signals. They must be hard to find because they never get used.

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[–] [email protected] 86 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

Leak of Tesla's next-gen Steering wheel:

[–] [email protected] 55 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

What? Physical controls? It'll be a touch screen.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 10 months ago (6 children)

No no, the steering wheel will be in the touch screen.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 10 months ago (27 children)

Tesla fucking up traditional driving controls only make sense if their self-driving system is working so the driver has no need to touch the steering wheel except in rare case. How good is Tesla's full self driving these days?

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

I am more concerned about why the Witcher 3 is featured on the car's screen. Does it double as a PC?

Edit: Spelling

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Tesla has the highest accident rate of any car brand. And Tesla intends to remain number 1 in that regard

[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago

Rapid acceleration, with your eyes pointed a center touch screen. What could go wrong?!

[–] [email protected] 49 points 10 months ago

They are unsafe in every situation, not just on roundabouts.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Style over substance, and a ugly style at that. Of course lots of people are gonna love it and say it is the best thing ever.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 10 months ago (13 children)

While in the EU Teslas were already "banned", if you want a proper cat B license, and not just a cat B(78). If you take the test in a car with automatic transmission you get a code 78 license, with which you can legally only drive automatic transmission vehicles.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago

they are the most advanced company in cost-cutting. They will put everything in 10 sub menus on the screen instead of costly buttons. And the people are confused, they see big screen they think cool. But having metal physical buttons and crowns with haptic feedback is just on another level 🤤. Especially those crowns where theres a silent click that you feel with every turn. Feels so fricking good damn.

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