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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Beehaw did it already :)

Not that I blame them.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Beehaw's degeneration is actually temporary. They said they would like to refederate with major instances when there's better mod tools available. The problem is they're only 4 admins and don't really have the capability to moderate that well right now.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

they're only 4 admins and don't really have the capability to moderate that well right now

We know, they continually remind us.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

In your entire comment history, this is actually the least hostile comment you've ever made. Amazing

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Username is assbutt, I expect nothing but shit-talking from them.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

yeah, that's what i've read. They're protecting their people, and that's an admirable thing. Wonder where cross instances admin tools are on the roadmap.

In any case our equivalent federated communities are coming up to strength now and we're starting to get decent levels of interactions without them.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Beehaw did the opposite. If you are from reddit, you are not the pink people. You are the grey ones. Beehaw said no before the fourth panel happened.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hey! There's no way for an individual to defederate without running their own instance. I think my first comment was asking how I could remove beehaw

There are multiple types of people coming from Reddit. I'm here looking for more critical discussion. Beehaw gives me cult vibes.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

The beauty of the fediverse is that the last panel can't happen.

We control our own instances. There's no world where admins wouldn't defederate from any Facebook attempt to barge in.

Maybe a few larger instances sell out, but users hold the power here now. If an admin betrays our trust, we'll just make a new instance.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Even more than defederating, it's in the hands of users. If people were to flood in from somewhere with bad intentions, it would likely be from one or two servers. At that point, just block those servers/communities from your view and continue about your day

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

At that point, just block those servers/communities from your view and continue about your day

But what if those servers/instances are the ones which has quality communities in it and what if the users and owners of those communities refuse to migrate to new server/instance? Wouldn't that be the same case of reddit where the user base is split and the new migrated server/instance needs building again?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

DING DING DING. Here's Facebook's playbook:

  1. Create close sourced ActivityPub implementation to federate with mastodon/lemmy and gain users.
  2. Offer better experience than competition via exclusive features, reliability, more communities, etc.
  3. Once enough users have been obtained, completely defederate from fediverse.
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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

They could defederate servers that don’t do exactly what they want and servers that are defederated might capitulate. The last frame is very possible and we’ve already seen it start to happen with thedonald on shitjustworks.

Edit: that said, I know the Donald comes from Reddit so it’s not the best example. But it’s an example of the method by which the last panel could happen.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's not really what happened here. It was 1 guy who made a community. That 1 guy was banned and his community was deleted for breaking the rules (specifically rule 2, no bigotry). Just before he got banned, people on other instances were freaking out like we just had the entire population of /r/the_donald join up here when it was 1 troll who broke our rules.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

In support of your statement, here's the Fedipact, signed by so many servers and communities across the Fediverse to not let Meta (or any other corpo, in that matter) to barge into the federation:

https://beach.city/@vantablack/110589010586936018

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Me, who only made an account because I was banned from Reddit and has no idea how Fediverse stuff works: whistles nervously

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Meanwhile I fled to Lemmy from Reddit because I need a place to show art without being under some platform whose vision and actions I don't support

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Banned from Reddit? What’d you do, tell Spez to go fuck himself?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I told him to fuck himself plenty and never even got aknowlaged

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (9 children)

No offense, but how do you manage to get banned from Reddit? A certain sub, sure, but the entire website?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Said that I would murder andrew tate is given the opportunity and apparently that counts as a credible threat of violence

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That is very violent phrasing and you only deem it ok because it's geared toward the "right kind of people"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I'm fine with that

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Would that even count as a crime in the first place? Interesting either way, didn’t expect that would trigger a ban on the website.

Again, can totally see that happening on a sub, but giving the amount of vile that has been given a free platform on the site I didn’t think they’d bother.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

“include this”, “include that”, bitch, I don’t want your propaganda in my place, gtfo

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is one of the biggest aspects I looking forward to with a federated future. It will be easier than ever to pack up and start your own thing, and it can be as connected/disconnected from the old thing, as you want.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Dude... Like....

Duuuude...

I don't know how to phrase this, but Reddit was getting filled with... Normal people? Nongeeks? The socially adept?

I'm sooo glad to be back with silly peeps. I missed that sense of critical self awareness haha. And I've been able to express some controversial opinions without getting locked and banned, which is mellowing as fuck.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (12 children)

I can say things like:

"I like Brains faggots more than any other brand" and "Retard the accelerator" without my comment being deleted and/or Reddit-banned for hate-speech.

I once got suspended from Reddit for saying: "The Scots weren't innocent during the British Empire. They were used for a lot of rape & murder".

It was considered racist. Until I appealed with 2 academic history papers that showed the Scottish Highlanders were considered a "martial race" and were used extensively in colonial campaigns during the British Empire. I really don't want to have to fucking educate dumb-as-brick Yank admins who don't know history or language beyond their shores.

I was finally site-suspended and can't create new users because a mod accused me of evading a sub ban. I didn't. Another mod just unbanned me cos the reason I got banned originally was idiotic. The mod didn't care. Re-banned me so my 15yo account got permanently suspended by the admins.

I'm done with that fucking site.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I believe reddit was simply filled with all kinds of people. There is an array of subs to choose from with different interests and activity levels. I find it silly that people on reddit consider themselves "non-normal" and "geeky". I don't think you're that special.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I was permanently banned/ suspended for posting a link to Google Streetview of a public layby.

Hows that for random and arbitrary!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When they first started joining Reddit, I thought of them as FaceBookers fleeing their parents and grandparents.

That said, I am part of this new wave here. I have tried 3 separate times over the last few years to join the Fediverse but always ended up on instances that lacked content that was relevant to me. It almost went the same way this time when I joined kbin.social but I decided to try lemmy.world also and found a lot more communities that interested me here.

Incidentally, as I understand it kbin.social should have been fine for me but was temporarily suppressing the feeds from other instances to help deal with the new wave.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

When they first started joining Reddit, I thought of them as FaceBookers fleeing their parents and grandparents

The real first wave were Digg refugees, but there's some truth to that. Millennials made heavy use of Facebook but largely abandoned the platform when their parents showed up. The only people I know who are still using Facebook are my boomer-aged parents and their friends.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

I mean, that's what already happened with Lemmingrad.

I personally don't care what their opinions are, but funny thing is that they can defederate from pretty much all instances where they feel attacked. As long as this doesn't change in the future with the fediverse, I'm okay with that

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

hey thanks and sorry for forgetting to give credit to the artist

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Soon? This has pretty much already happened with lemmygrad

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Something like this could happen. Some instance admins of Fediverse instance admins met with Facebook. They are trying to include facebooks services to fediverse. I hope they wont do that. Otherwise this meme gets reality.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Original comic by @webcomic_name (Instagram) aka Alex Norris - a true legend!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This works on so many levels

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

It really does. My first thought was a lot of cities where it's run down and depressed and the more hipster artsy types show up for the cheap property and make something interesting. Eventually the affluent catch wind and show up to take advantage of what was created and price the originals out.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

The circle of digital life. sigh

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sorry everyone I'm gonna be going now before it gets too crowded. ..jk. this is a great meme btw.

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