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[–] [email protected] 150 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I mean, no joke, a dog whining/ begging is conditioning you.

I am a dog.

I beg. You give me food. I look cute.

I beg. You don't give me food. I cry.

Next time I beg, will you give me the food?

Probably.

After that: I look cute. You give me food.

Congratulations, you've just been conditioned by your dog, buuuuut you get a cute dog, lmao.

[–] [email protected] 86 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I seem to remember reading that domesticated dogs evolved more expressive eyebrows that proved to be a survival advantage in this process.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Found the article: https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1820653116

That is super neat, you're right! It was bread into them due to human preference.

[–] [email protected] 85 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lmao, I'm not going to fix it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Thanks, I just had a good laugh. ;)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Mmmh, puppy muffin.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've seen a few things that have shown many animals have developed a sense of "cuteness" specifically to deal with us.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I've long had a theory that cats have evolved to be just cute enough that we don't murder them. Cats are evil, so it's understandable that humans would want to kill them, and I think we probably did early on, but some of them were so cute that we didn't. Those surviving cute cats reproduced and made more cute cats, but they also became more evil. Over generations, we have created beings that are supremely evil, but they're just so gosh darned cute that we let them get away with it.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Well that and they kill pests. We also like things that are useful. I just wish they wouldn't put the dead pests in my shoe 😬

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Cats are an autonomous pest control system, that's why they're everywhere.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Cats don’t have any of the typical traits of domestication. Humans do.

Draw your own conclusions.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Yeah they evolved to keep much more baby-like features into adulthood with a big head and huge eyes because that's cute to us and triggers strong instincts of protection and love. I forget the exact name for it. And my cats do be looking extremely cute all the time so it was very successful.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Too bad it's not Pavlovian conditioning afaik

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Replace every instance of dog with cat and you've got the reason I give out treats at night before I start cleaning dishes.

[–] [email protected] 85 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The correct answer is

Fuck Pavlov

Motherfucker is like the Hitler of dogs. It's a shame his name is remembered for the conditioning and not the mutilation. Dude was a monster.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wait really? Ive never been told about this

[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, he cut holes in their throats so food would fall out and added additional holes along the digestive tract to collect various "gastric juices". He also, apparently, started a business harvesting and selling said juices as a cure for indigestion..... not sure how that worked, seems like it would cause more than it cured.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (13 children)

My god. We don't deserve dogs if we are not adjusting Pavlov's reputation for this.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Well, thank you for letting us know. I read about Pavlov in textbooks in school, its better we dont whitewash his reputation! I learned the honest history in school about nazi medical experiments, I deserved to know about Pavlov too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

But the mutilation was part of the research I thought

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Such an existential question in so few words.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Or.. it's just an obvious "yes"...

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago

There is a joke about that:

Pavlov is sitting in a bar enjoying his beer. The phone rings. Pavlov jumps up: "Damn! I forgot to feed the dogs!"

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My dog trained me to get him water by lifting the toilet bowl lid. He doesn’t want to drink out of it, but he knows I’ll get up to stop him and check his water on the way. Now he’ll lift the lid then go stand by the water dish.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago

Alternatively: your dog has learned how to effectively communicate with you to ask for water.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Pavlov's dog is not notable for showing that dogs could be conditioned (bell = food time)

What it did was show that a conditional response (bell = food time) could cause a reflexive response (saliva)

Classical conditioning is not the same as associative learning.

Pavlov's dog is not about associating Thing A with Thing B - that didn't need a russian scientist to prove.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I didn't know that! Also apparently the Barenaked Ladies had it right when they wrote Brian Wilson:

It's a matter of instinct

It's a matter of conditioning and a matter of fact

You can call me Pavlov's Dog

Ring a bell and I'll salivate

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What's haunting about this question?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

i suppose it's that his intent was to train (essentially to control) something apart from himself, but he likely trained himself in the process (created something within himself that he did not control, at least for as long as the response was conditioned).

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Your brain being altered without your consent/awareness?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Fuck, damn. 🤔

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Pavlov Pavloved Pavlov

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

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Jeremy Parish, probably, @gamespite

Out of nowhere, my nephew just asked, "Do you think Pavlov thought about feeding his dog every time he heard a bell ring?" and now I'm going to be haunted by this question

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

The mice will see you now.

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