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On the 13th of March in 1979, the People's Revolutionary Government (PRG) was proclaimed in Grenada after the Marxist-Leninist New Jewel Movement overthrew the state in a socialist revolution, with Maurice Bishop serving as Prime Minister.

After coming into power, Bishop stated the goals of the NJM: "We definitely have a stake in seeking the creation of a new international economic order which would assist in ensuring economic justice for the oppressed and exploited peoples of the world, and in ensuring that the resources of the sea are used for the benefit of all the people of the world and not for a tiny minority of profiteers".

The new government developed an ambitious social program, initiating a literacy campaign, expanding education programs, worker protections, and establishing farmers' cooperatives.

During the PRG's reign, unemployment was reduced from 49% to 14%, the ratio of doctors per person increased from 1/4000 to 1/3,000, the infant mortality rate was reduced, and the literacy rate increased from 85% to 90%. In addition, laws guaranteeing equal pay for equal work for women were passed, and mothers were guaranteed three months' maternity leave.

The government suspended the constitution of the previous regime, ruling by decree until a factional conflict broke out, ultimately leading to Maurice Bishop's assassination. President Ronald Reagan launched an invasion of Grenada a few weeks later, on October 25th, 1983.

"We have attempted to show in this Manifesto what is possible. We have demonstrated beyond doubt that there is no reason why we should continue to live in such poverty, misery, suffering, dependence and exploitation...The new society must not only speak of Democracy, but must practise it in all its aspects. We must stress the policy of 'Self-Reliance' and 'Self-Sufficiency' undertaken co-operatively, and reject the easy approaches offered by aid and foreign assistance. We will have to recognise that our most important resource is our people."

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Idk some of them have cool designs

Would drink water out of them maybe

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

drinking out of cans sucks. the only reason to drink out of a can is convenience. reusing cans to drink is some sort of aesthetic/ergonomic masochism. it's not even possible to clean them. you want to drink out of a dirty can over and over again because you like the colors. but you are complaining that plastics are ruining it for you. Frankly I doubt the veracity of those claims but you know what is gross? dirty old cans.

Get a glass, a cup, a mug, a jar or a bottle. Any can be cleaned.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I could clean them if the plastic lining wouldn't tear apart lol

Idk what to tell you, you've never seen a soda can or energy drink can that you thought was cool and wish was useful besides the one-off occasion of drinking one? There's a lot that aren't the typical pull-tab closed top type.

What do you doubt about the veracity of claims about plastic can liners/varnishes/whatever?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

every time some topic like this comes up on this website people love to start going on about the individual toxic effects of plastics or "chemicals". if there are are sources they tend to be easily debunked. it's a lot of anti science, psudoscience, naturalistic fallacy, greenwashing etc etc all uncritically accepted. often to the benefit of capitalists, liberals etc.

your concern about "being poisoned by trillions of tiny plastic particles" could be the exception though. maybe you are tthe first one I find here. on the surface: sounds mostly fake.

in the context of clean water being intentionally withheld from racialized and indigenous communities around the world, I find it really obnoxious when people who don't face that try to make complaints about the contamination of the water/fluid supply.

also maybe you have a completely different meaning of the word "can". where I am at a can is like this, and materials are not the barrier to proper cleaning. rather the fact that you cannot get to the inside easily, you cannot see it, and the opening is sharp.

I have literally never wanted to re use a can for its design. i was brought up to find corporate stuff annoying. that's just taste i guess. maybe you could use resin or something to turn it into something more robust.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

These liners usually have plasticizers like BPA or BPB or similar that have very well-known detrimental health effects and leach out of the plastic. The health effects of microplastics on their own is still mostly unknown (definitely not good though lol) but they tend to leach harmful chemicals from their manufacture (like plasticizers) into the medium they end up in, which could be your body. I can't say I've noticed all that much pseudoscience or greenwashing type stuff on this website, mainly just legitimate concerns cuz we really do live in a world full of poison for no reason other than profit.

in the context of clean water being intentionally withheld from racialized and indigenous communities around the world, I find it really obnoxious when people who don't face that try to make complaints about the contamination of the water/fluid supply.

Why? Yeah, it's true that indigenous and racialized communities have it particularly bad but like... at least where I'm from (the US) there's decaying and toxic infrastructure everywhere. I live in a house with lead pipes and brass pipe fittings soldered with lead-containing solder lol (and recently I've been too scared to even drink the tap water here). Sometimes online you see people going off about fluoride or something which is annoying but yeah. (Didn't that happen here recently? I think they got banned though)

also maybe you have a completely different meaning of the word "can". where I am at a can is like this, and materials are not the barrier to proper cleaning. rather the fact that you cannot get to the inside easily, you cannot see it, and the opening is sharp.

Yeah I use cans like that all the time but there's some other designs too. Idk if you're familiar but the can that prompted that post (which I really didn't think about all that much lol) was the big Monster Energy can with a screw top.

I have literally never wanted to re use a can for its design. i was brought up to find corporate stuff annoying. that's just taste i guess. maybe you could use resin or something to turn it into something more robust.

It's not really the branding that does anything for me, idk I just like drinking out of metal things with an interesting shape lol

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

BPA or BPB or similar that have very well-known detrimental health effects

Sure... The effects are very well known; so known it would be a waste to even mentioned them. Just vaguely gesture to them. But what are they again? This big public health crisis going on. How is it defined? How does it differ between jurisdictions with different regulations?

health effects of microplastics on their own is still mostly unknown (definitely not good though lol)

And they are not known at all but the less information exists the more evidence it actually is.^1^

I don't even follow if these cans have the kind of plastic that definitely for certain cause specific health problems so far un mentioned... or if they have the other kind of plastic that has imagined (but just as real) problems.

Why not going to your local thrift store and buy some fun metal drinking vessels. There are lots of them. They'll last longer.

1 - that's called "conspiracy thinking"

lead is an actual problem and I'm inclined to believe what you are reporting, see this article from 2019 Is Canada’s tap water safe? Thousands of test results show high lead levels across the country. I think this is an organizing issue.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Sure... The effects are very well known; so known it would be a waste to even mentioned them. Just vaguely gesture to them. But what are they again? This big public health crisis going on. How is it defined? How does it differ between jurisdictions with different regulations?

The bisphenols are ubiquitous endocrine disruptors and cancer-causing agents. I'm not really prepared to give you a whole outline of their health effects and their relation to any possible health crisis (like the rise in cancer rates worldwide) rn but it doesn't mean they're not real lol

And they are not known at all but the less information exists the more evidence it actually is.1

1 - that's called "conspiracy thinking"

What conspiracy? What conspiratorial thinking am I exhibiting in being concerned about the proliferation of microplastics throughout the entire world and every human body? There's no conspiracy, this is happening right in the open. The study of the health effects of microplastics is still in an early state and it's impossible to say for certain what effects they are having but I'm comfortable saying tiny plastic particles inside your body that can't be broken down by normal biological processes and which may stay inside you forever are probably not good for you lol. Why are you assuming it's safe?

There have been some studies finding an association with negative health outcomes, like the one this article that was posted here a few days ago talks about:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-00650-3

I don't even follow if these cans have the kind of plastic that definitely for certain cause specific health problems so far un mentioned...

Idk either, it was difficult to find any specific information when I looked it up. Maybe it's a trade secret or something

Why not going to your local thrift store and buy some fun metal drinking vessels. There are lots of them. They'll last longer.

I'm drinking out of a glass cup rn. Of course it's way more practical to just buy something but where's the whimsy in that?

I'm really tired, so I'm gonna log off now soooo I'm disengaging I suppose