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That nice girl feminism got us to lose abortion rights. I'm in the vengeance stage whether you like it or not.
It really doesn't. But it does make raging misogynists pissy and insecure.
The point of the dial is there is no middle ground. You either take it quietly or you're a troublemaker.
I don't mean to diminish the larger point you're making about feminism not having middle ground, but from an interface design perspective, a dial very much implies a continuum of settings. When there isn't middle ground, the interface should be a toggle switch instead.
Of course this is art, not a real device, so obviously a dial is appropriate because it's a response to being told to "dial down," not "switch off."
(I almost feel like there could've been something different about the way the dial was depicted -- maybe with a range with "raging feminist" next to "complicit" and something more extreme above it, or maybe indeed using a toggle instead of a dial -- in order to emphasize that "raging feminist" already is as "dialed down" as you could reasonably ask for, but such UI realism would probably just clutter up the design without improving the message. As art, I think the artist got it right as-is.)
You're not wrong. But I picture this dial to snap between two settings. Like ones that are used for on/off switches. Not like a continuous potentiometer type.
No, the point is that there really is no middle ground with these people.
Are you fucking high?!
Is that reaction actually increasing the misogyny though? I kinda expect it's just bringing out into the open what is already there tbh
Instead of complaining that feminists speak out, why not call out the actual problem: the misogynists? Be a "staunch advocate" and have the conversations that women can't.
"This rape would be going a lot better for you if you'd just stop struggling so much!"
Immediately jumping to a rape analogy isn't fair or apt, you can always make someone else's argument appear dumb when you jump to an EXTREME
How dare I follow their argument to its logical conclusion
Imagine getting triggered by women not wanting to be assaulted
“All men are fucking douchebags and should die” -> “if they already think I’m a douchebag and the other side will be nice to me…”
Don’t get me wrong, I understand that that’s an extreme but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen either. I’m not saying I agree really with either side and “turning down the feminism” is a kinda weird thing to say to your student but I have heard multiple different times of someone who saw how much they seemed to be hated and drifted to the right as they were accepted there (even if for the wrong reasons).
I don't think it's feminism at that point. It's misandry. I know many women who don't understand the difference, but they're not the same.
And we can see plenty of men here who are told what the difference is and ignore it to pursue their grievance.
That’s true but if they are often confused even within their own circles, the type of men who would drift to the right from it are also unlikely to know the difference
This comes off weird. Especially when in context to the post.
I fully agree. This applies not only to feminism but in general - if you want to convince people about something, you need to plan your approach, what to say, know what works on people etc. You cannot just rage like crazy because there's a high chance you just create a counter reaction.
F.e. I'd say we can all agree that gay rights are the right thing. But if you come to some conservative village, start shouting at everyone, being super aggresive and rage like a maniac, I'd bet that the only thing you achieve is that you'll be labeled as "that crazy person"
I'm really surprised of the responses to this comment, I find this to be a common sense
-Martin Luther King Jr
Got a lot of the same vibes, really
Preach on.
I went to the Women's Rights National Historical Park in Seneca Falls, NY, and of all the things that really struck me hard there (it was a lot) I think the biggest hit was realizing how fucking long it took between the start of mainstreaming the movement and women actually getting the vote. None of the women who started that movement lived long enough to cast their own vote.
There was no "women's black panthers". There was no threat of violence if women can't control their own lives. Everybody got to pretty much just stay comfortable with their nice order. And change did. not. happen. For years.
Maybe the slow pace was worth it, I don't know. I'm not a woman and I'm not much devoted to order. But it seems pretty clear that "avoid offending anybody" is not an effective tool for change.
Fair enough, good quote (btw I'm not from US so my knoledge here is limited). Although I'm not sure what portion I agree/disagree with it, I have to think about it much more.
But I mean, even MLK understood that there's a limit, right? Like he didn't take AK47 and started to murder all the racists he saw but have chosen rather strong but non violent approach and he thought about what he was saying and what "works". And that's all I'm saying, I've never said that you cannot take a strong stance. But if you turn it to 11 and just RAGE!!! then be prepared that you might not achieve anything or even make the situation worse
More MLK quotes!
-The Other America
And this was over The Long, Hot Summer of 1967 where neighborhoods literally got burned to the ground in riots and dozens of people were killed. Shooting your mouth off in response to someone being a bigot is a piddling offense by comparison.
Like, I'm not going to stand here and tell you it's being on your best behavior. But neither is saying some bigoted shit to someone that causes them to pop off in return. Two people can be doing wrong things, and one can even be more at fault!
MLK didn’t; Malcom X did. MLK’s underlying message was ‘acknowledge my peaceful protest, or you get stuck with his less peaceful protest’. Peaceful protesting alone tends to get you a whole lot of nothing.
Edit: of course, most history classes seem to forget Malcom X even existed, because the ‘just peacefully protest over in that corner and don’t bother us, it will totally make us change our ways’ narrative is much more desirable for certain demographics.
I fundamentally disagree
Good for you. History disagrees with your disagreeing.
Look up Malcom X, the Black Panthers, and the Battle of Blair Mountain sometime. Pretty much every victory oppressed groups have won has had to draw blood in order to win the day.
The closer a person and the people they care about get to the chopping block the less common sense it seems.