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nice argument however i have depicted you as a rule (lemmy.cafe)

submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (6 children)

all human lives have value

you say that but during the oceangate thing I saw the people on this community making memes saying that they hoped the people in the craft died in one of the worst ways possible (before it was revealed that they likely died painlessly)

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I agree that all human lives have value, I am just frustrated with this community's seeming two-facedness

[–] [email protected] 29 points 7 months ago

Ignoring the literal-ness of "all human lives have value", equating billionaires to an ethic group enduring apartheid and genocide is a hell of a take...

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

"all human lives have value" doesn't include "and you shouldn't ever schadenfreude at rich idiots dying because of their folly"

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

They all have value but not necessarily the same.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

People have value, people can also behave monsterously and it can be a good thing if they stop which can include dying.

Human lives don't have infinite value, that would be a position that would mean killing someone on a murderous rampage would be just as bad as letting them kill forever.

Two things can be true:

people should not be killed because of who they are and lives should be spared where possible

and

some people are harmful and it's fine to want them to face some sort of consequences for that and/or die and stop being harmful.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

There's a difference between "it wouldn't be so bad if they die" and "i hope they died in the worst way possible". I think the former about quite a few people, but while there's some fucked up part of me that delights in assholes getting what they deserve, I'm still not gonna celebrate someone going through torture.

Tbh I just don't think the people upvoting this meme are likely the same people, i constantly see comments on here dehumanizing people for having backwards-ass views on things, which would be perfectly in line with saying the genocide is okay because many of the people affected hold similar views.

It's obviously not, not just because that's bound to not apply to everyone, but also because people can change and are a product of their environment.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

I think the loss of life, including the oceangate thing, is sad.

I also think the obscenely rich are actively devaluing their own life through their greed, versus this case where people are born into this situation. Some have a kinda 'got what they deserve' attitude for the first (also this community doesn't always agree on how radical it is haha)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

billionaire lives have no value