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Trump tells 37 people on death row with commuted sentences to ‘go to hell’
(www.theguardian.com)
but he was the first "president" to march in the "pro life" rally 🙄
this post was submitted on 26 Dec 2024
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In the great Christmas spirit.
"You first."
Why I don't support the death penalty.
Not to mention that no other OECD country except for Japan still has it.
I have two reasons why I'm against it.
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Innocent people will get sentenced. There's no way around that. Sententing an innocent person to death is among the greatest injustices I can think of so I'll rather have someone guilty walk free. Granted that sentencing an innocent person to life in prison aint that much better but this is where the second reason comes in.
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I don't believe in free will. Punishing someone for something they did is not compatible with the way I see the word*. It's like punishing a grizzly bear for attacking a person. If you're danger to society you should be locked up one way or another but not as a punishment but to keep others safe. I think that even if you're a murderer you should be treated well and we should figure out a way for them to live relatively normal lives behind the bars. They can't help themselves. They didn't choose to be born that way and thus shouldn't be punished as if they could have acted otherwise.
* Risk of consequences still works as a deterrence and that "punishment" be it fine or jail time should still be carried out because otherwise it loses its credibility.
Doesn't point 2 kind of justify execution too? We're not chosing to execute that action it was pre-determined that we would execute that person from the moment the universe began.
Yes if you believe in fatalism which I don't.
Punishment is a behaviorist intervention. It doesn’t rely on the concept of free will. In fact, it depends on the lack of free will to make any sense at all. If there were free will, people would be able to change without punishment.
But killing someone isn’t a punishment. It’s a deterrent. It’s not designed to change behavior. It’s designed to end it.
Carrying out a punishment doesn't make much sense as the person couldn't have done otherwise but not carrying it out sends the signal to others that actions don't have consequences and thus the deterrence stops working. That's why we have to "punish" people for breaking the law. Not because it makes a difference to that specific individual but it sends a signal to others.
I absolutely agree with point 1.
I've never really thought about point 2. I don't think I'm ready to say I don't believe in free will, but I do agree that people are largely a product of their circumstances. I think in the case of a serial killer, it might not meet your definition of "free will" but it's a person who has been methodical about the taking of life and not shown any contrition.
I would however add point 3. I don't want to take someone's life even if they deserve to die.
... and point 4 I just thought of... there's not really any good reasons for capital punishment. It's not a deterrent, and who cares about the cost of incarceration really.
Cost of an execution is more than the cost of life in prison as well.
History is filled with innocent bodies due to the death penalty.
He sure does talk a lot of shit about death penalty for someone who allegedly committed high treason, punishable by death.
Why do we have to hang on every word this fucking arsehole says? He's an utter cretin.
Four years.
Four goddamn years I had to wake up every day and pay attention to what asinine shit the President of the United States tweeted.
Because, unfortunately, that utter cretin had the nuclear button.
And now we have to endure another four years of the same.
Shit, for all the bad things you can say about Biden, you can at least say that whenever you heard a story start with "Today, the president said..." in the news, you weren't immediately going "ah fuck here we go". Four years I dealt with that kind of reflexive dread.
God, I wish I could just slip into a coma until 2029.
Honestly, if we get out of this one without some sort of nuclear exchange, I’m going to be mildly shocked. Remember: this is the guy who had to be talked down from nuking a fucking hurricane, and apparently it took a while to convince him it wasn’t the sharpest idea.
Personally I'd like to keep up with the Canada comments considering he's threatening to annex our fucking country. Americans, fix your country
It's not my country. Mine has it's moments but it's not that stupid.
Ah sorry to imply you were. Edited my comment
Well the media invested a lot of time and effort to get him elected and now they want to cash in on all that hard work.
Because he's itching for vengeance against his enemies and is about to be in charge of the most powerful military and intelligence operations in the history of the world.
Reminder that about 1 in 25 people on death row are estimated to be innocent.
Reminder trumps been found very very guilty.
That seems very low.
That's a good thing.
Biden’s move reduced the death sentences of 37 out of 40 prisoners on federal death row to life imprisonment without parole and followed pressure from campaigners who warned that they were likely to be executed on Trump’s return to the White House.
The exceptions applied to three men who had been convicted of offences regarded as terrorism or hate crimes, including Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, who was found guilty of carrying out the 2013 Boston marathon bombing attack.
Honestly if it's taking us this long to off the Boston Marathon Bomber, is it really any difference? /joke
Old man yells at clouds
He should do that himself, he would be right at home.
We don't want him
A tyrant's rage
A nation divide
Like toddlers tears
When rattles denied
"That was my thing!"
Now broken plans
As he wipes a tear
with little hands
Biden stole
His hateful thunder
Who's next in sight?
I mustn't wonder.
Who the fuck cares what this guy writes on Christmas. Dude just says the same ignorant shit over and over to rile up his supporters.
Actually he said "Governor" Trudeau
were just given, incredibly, a pardon by Sleepy Joe Biden
dumfuk lying again. on purpose. trying to get the cult riled-up over 'pardons' that didn't happen.
a commuted sentence is not a pardon.
these 37 men are still guilty. they are still in jail.. for life.. without parole. they will remain there and never be released.
The best part is nobody fucken knows what that means and they just believe these dudes are instantly set upon the streets.
It's just insane to me how many Americans are so stupid that they don't hear something like that, and think, "well that's quite the claim, I wonder if it's true..."
These people have zero incredulity. They choose to believe the most insane shit with no evidence based entirely on how they feel about the person who said it.
I mean I see it happen on Lemmy with fake tweets and such. Divide the parties into eight at least, destroy Citizens United and make its practices illegal. Only allow campaign donations from the public, no private entities. We have to fix this before we all fall to tribalism and the systematic deconstruction of education.
It's one part demonization of education, and one part media stoking outrage.
What, does it want to have tea with them in about a decade?
No, he's pissed because the neo Nazis weren't commuted.
Then he can do that himself in a couple of weeks. I was just joking that he was going to hell.
He’s so damn embarrassing. What the heck did I just read
Trump, do you really want those violent criminals to go to the same place you’re destined for?
No honour among thieves.
given his impotence for this issue I can see why he decides to shake fist at raincloud.
Quite a display of senile dementia.
Won't anyone think of the serial killers???