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Trump tells 37 people on death row with commuted sentences to ‘go to hell’
(www.theguardian.com)
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Doesn't point 2 kind of justify execution too? We're not chosing to execute that action it was pre-determined that we would execute that person from the moment the universe began.
I feel like you're considering death penalty to be the default, but if the same logic is applied while considering lifetime in prison as the default, the result would be the opposite.
And considering that death of age looks to me more natural, I'm inclined to think no death penalty should be the default
Just because it happened doesn't mean it wasn't a mistake that we can learn from. In that regard, it was not justified.
Now if you are talking about taking the same action in a parallel universe, then that definitely depends on the perspective you're modelling.
Yes if you believe in fatalism which I don't.
So the guy being executed has no free will but the people executing him do?
Sorry, but I don't understand the argument you're trying to make here. You seem to be implying that no free will would mean we live in a fatalistic universe but I don't think that is true. Fatalism doesn't make any logical sense to me. It seems to imply action without a cause which is the exact opposite of what determinism means.
My understanding is determanism means every actions is based on perfectly predictable physical systems such that everything would go exactly the same way if the universe was reset and run again. In such a situation the people executing the guy would be no more capable of not executing him than a rock is capable of ignoring gravity.
I’m not sure if determinism necessarily means that re-running the "simulation" would always produce the exact same result. It’s conceivable that some randomness could exist, where a single elementary particle behaving one way rather than another millions of years ago could change the entire trajectory of the universe. You can always track backwards the causal chain of events but I don't think you can do it forward. Not even if you're Laplace's Demon.
While I believe it’s true that people couldn’t have acted otherwise - meaning that if an event, like an execution, happened, it doesn’t make sense to say it could have been avoided - that doesn’t mean the future can’t be influenced. A person may be "pre-determined" to kill, but if you intervene and manage to convince them not to, their change of mind is still perfectly compatible with the absence of free will.
But you also are pre-determined to either help them or not?
Yeah. What ever makes me want to reason someone out of killing an another person is ultimately mysterious to even myself. I don't know what compells me to do that and even if succesfull I can't really take credit for it as if it's something I alone decided to do out of my free will.