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[–] [email protected] 80 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Nichelle Nichols was at one point thinking of quitting the show but stayed because MLK Jr. himself told her how important her character was.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 5 days ago

And without Nichelle Nichols on Star Trek, she wouldn't have been hired by NASA and then we wouldn't have had Sally Ride, so she is a legitimate space hero.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 5 days ago (1 children)

She thought about leaving because she didn't feel like her character got to do enough - a common sentiment of supporting actors.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It was TNG that really established an ensemble cast formula; TOS was Kirk-Spock-McCoy and the rest. It took TNG a couple seasons before they got the idea of a true ensemble cast where everyone gets to star in some episodes. TOS wouldn't have had more than one episode starring Reginald Barcklay with Geordi and Dianna in supporting roles, but TNG had at least two.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago (2 children)

TOS wouldn't have had more than one episode starring Reginald Barcklay with Geordi and Dianna in supporting roles, but TNG had at least two.

Three, even. Horny holideck, barkley gets his groove on, and transporter cuddles.

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[–] [email protected] 84 points 6 days ago (7 children)

Guaranteed if original Star Trek came out today, it would be decried as "woke" and "DEI" and there would be outrage over it from the usual culture warriors.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 6 days ago (12 children)

Okay, I've finally looked up what DEI means... Diversity, equity, and inclusion are things people are berated for??

[–] [email protected] 47 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It's not what DEI means. It's about what it stands for.

Conservatives don't want to be told to treat people with decency. They want to treat however the fuck they want, and then tell you that you aren't treating them decently.

It's about wielding power.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 days ago (1 children)

YES, it's insane. It's like saying "be a decent person" and people going "Fuck you, commie bastards, I do what I want."

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 days ago (3 children)

DEI is the current iteration of affirmative action, that’s all.

The problem with DEI is that it’s an imperfect solution that only came about because racists and other bigots couldn’t behave themselves. Forcing the hiring of specific demographics isn’t going to result in the best possible outcomes in every case but those groups also need opportunities even though they’ve been systemically given worse educations and have been generally shat upon. Removing race we’d also probably hire the white man more often but not because they’re inately better, but rather because they are simply more likely to be able to afford to have pretty looking resumés compared to disadvantaged minorities.

We wouldn’t need DEI in the first fucking place except people like an old boss, who saw an immigrant classmate of mine’s resumé come up and because of his African last name said “no thanks I want to keep jobs in Canada”, need to be forced to do the right thing. They create the problem and throw temper tantrums when we try to fix it. These people are obstacles and it’s getting tiring.

TL;DR: They feel as if they have a point because DEI can result in a more qualified person being turned away, which I get feels unfair. However, they refuse to acknowledge the fact that said person was only more qualified because we make it so difficult for minorities to fucking do anything. I’m getting so sick of right-wing bullshit.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I get not liking Discovery, but do people really think Lower Decks, SNW, Picard are “Woke?”

Also, obviously, sci-fi is at its best when tackling politics… Isn’t that kinda the point?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's woke because they're so unhinged that basic human decency is woke now.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

"Woke" has long since lost its original meaning.

Used to mean something positive and progressive. Then it meant something that tried writing itself off as something progressive, but was simply stupid and entitled (i.e. That Batwoman series), now it's anything a right winger hates, even if it isn't trying to be progressive in any way.

Truth is, with NuTrek, it doesn't have a single progressive bone in its body, and the writers don't have the skill to pull off any sort of commentary.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Truth is, with NuTrek, it doesn’t have a single progressive bone in its body, and the writers don’t have the skill to pull off any sort of commentary.

It’s not that bad, though I don’t totally disagree.

Also… I’d argue a problem is having their hands tied. Ironically, anything that would hit really hard couldn’t be aired in this day and age. The whole franchise would probably be mothballed if they pushed the envelope as hard as TOS.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Compare it to The Orville. Nu!Trek is playing in puddles

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Except they're pretending they're hitting even harder than older Trek.

That's honestly the worst part for me; NuTrek is nothing but generic sci-fi action slop, with a bit of unfunny dank humour sprinkled in from Lower Decks, but it's being paraded about as if the writers are breaking epic milestones never before dared in Star Trek.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

'Cos they got GAYYYSSS cheers mate we've had them a while now.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago

SNW has like 90% female crew members. Also the pilot lady has short hair. Therefore woke.

Probably.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 5 days ago (1 children)

“Shatner figured it out? Shatner? This is a real low point. Yeah, this one hurts.”

[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

"When I have a problem that phasers can't solve, I just kiss a beautiful alien. Then suddenly, I have a completely different problem!" - Jason Tiberius Kirk

Edit: I may have drifted into the Kelvin timeline...

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

“I'm a legit snack” - Nyota Uhura

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 days ago

I havent gotten past the original series yet (I started with that), so far Star Trek seems like the entire point is to get into complex social and political issues that other companies would be too scared to cover.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 6 days ago (7 children)

They didn’t have everything figured out back then. For one, they bullied Spock for what we could only describe today as his neurodiversity.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 5 days ago (4 children)

The message I got from McCoy was that humans got along because they found new people to be racist against instead of each other

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 days ago

It helps when every other planet is a severely flawed monocolutre.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 6 days ago (3 children)

There will never come a time in which we have everything figured out.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

And there will be things that are being created today that's considered progressive that in 20 years, will be considered as missing the mark.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

McCoy called Spock "green-blooded" on multiple occasions - and once a "hobgoblin". And I would call the Vulcan penchant for logic a cultural trait, not neurodiversity.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 6 days ago (22 children)

They were even more upfront about it in TOS for some issues too.

I remember many instances where they say "We have women in our crew in the future." It's not like DISCO flaunted around saying "we don't hate gay people in this ship."

Like I understand that DISCO isn't everybody's favorite, and sure it has some issues, but all the flak it got for being "woke" and "preachy" was weird to me.

Part of Kirk's whole thing was preachy speeches, and Picard had many moments too.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=QFspemhHmsw A Critique of Star Trek Discovery — Part 1 #RIPStarTrek

This whole essay is worth listening to, but 15:46-30:33 in particular gets at the heart of a big reason why classic Trek rocks and why nuTrek is shit.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Lower Decks remains very good. CBS has tried to pivot Star Trek from Sci-Fi to Space Adventure, and that's been ugly. But not every series they've spun out took that tone.

Also Orville - particularly the latest season - has been incredible. Everything Star Trek is supposed to be.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

Lower Decks remains very good.

It's finished. The final episode aired last week.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Holy Motherforkin Shirtballs! A The Good Place meme in the wild!

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 days ago (10 children)

Kind of yeah, but Gene Roddenberry used allegories like the half black and half white dudes who hated each other - which took more effort than having characters just walk around in the present saying, "Wow, look at all the social injustice."

[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah he was real subtle. Not full of preachy monologues at all.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 days ago (10 children)

Roddenberry was both a genuinely progressive guy and an extremely 20th century man. "In the future we're going to cure disease and hunger and everyone of all races and creeds will work together there's gonna be a black woman, an asian guy, a Russian and an alien with funny ears on the bridge all working as a team and the women will all wear wrist length gogo dresses and there's gonna be an episode where the crew is utterly baffled at the very concept of racism. We're gonna paint some actors with half of their faces white and half of their faces black and they're gonna be really horrible to each other and when asked why they're gonna say "They're white on the left side and we're white on the right side" and it's gonna make racism sound really dumb."

I struggle to have a problem with a guy whose message is "Systematic hatred is extremely bad and stupid, let's look at sexy legs instead."

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (5 children)

Hey now hey now!

It's a cashless classless society, it's about economic class justice, too!

That part's just more in the background.

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