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NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh says his party will bring forward a motion of non-confidence to bring down the Trudeau government in the next sitting of the House of Commons.

"The Liberals don't deserve another chance," Singh wrote in a letter on Friday. "That's why the NDP will vote to bring this government down."

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Just to remind everyone: Layton pulled this same stunt, toppling Martin's government.

The result was the loss of a number of progressive initiatives Martin's people were working on, the election of fucking Stephen Harper and the most conservative Canadian political landscape since Borden. Science was suppressed, lslamophobia went from being a dogwhistle to a bullhorn, we narrowly avoided economic catastrophy. Harper even fucked with the Census in an attempt to remake Canada.

A lot of dippers really idolized Layton, but honestly he was a shameless opportunist and I don't forgive him for giving us almost a decade of Harper.

And Singh is pulling the same fucking stunt.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Poilievre is winning a majority no matter what, I'd rather get it out of the way sooner instead of sitting through another year of ineffective Liberal virtue signalling.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

The Liberals don't deserve another chance, sure, but handing the election over to the conservative party? What the fuck...

[–] [email protected] 11 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Why is it the responsibility of a third party like the NDP to keep up the Liberals in power?

If the NDP can steal and win former Liberal seats, it seems really dumb not to capitalize on that opportunity. It's not like the NDP will form government, nor will the Conservatives lose traction in the next 10 months. There's a Conservative government coming in regardless of how you feel.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 hours ago

It's not, but when the country is frothing at the mouth over even more unhinged authoritarian/oligarchy leadership than what we have, NDP aren't going to stand much of a chance on their own. All the going to do is drive more people to vote CPC

[–] [email protected] 6 points 12 hours ago

Except the NDP are unlikely to pick up many Liberal seats and will go from holding the balance of power to having no power. I don’t follow this logic.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

"Maybe when Canada is fed up with the Cons, they'll vote us in!"

Shortsighted buffoons

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

Singh et al learned absolutely nothing from the Harper era

[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (3 children)

The only shortsighted buffoons I see are the Liberals who have thoroughly failed to meaningfully improve their voters' lives and address any of the many social crises that are impacting us.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago

The only shortsighted buffoons I see are the NDP who have thoroughly failed to meaningfully improve their voters’ lives and address any of the many social crises that are impacting us.

The only shortsighted buffoons I see are the Conservatives who have thoroughly failed to meaningfully improve their voters’ lives and address any of the many social crises that are impacting us.

Works with every party.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

Drop the whataboutism. Hold yourself to a higher standard.

All political parties are a blight on democracy. Case in point, party whips.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 12 hours ago

How do you feel about response to COVID and the CERB payments?

Personally, that was a federal win for me.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Dang welcome to Trump's Canada I guess. Scary times boys

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Can this wait until Feb 1? Give Canadians a bit more of a chance to see the US get fucked first.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Parliament doesn't sit until Jan 26, so it won't happen before then.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

First sitting on the 27th, to be exact. Source.

Yeah, I'm panicking a lot less now. And depending on the exact rules JT could prorogue it even further.

Somebody in the media mentioned a Liberal leadership election; if he goes that way I'll be "kalm" again.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A Liberal leadership convention would require ~4-5 months. The Liberals would name an interim leader elected by caucus if JT steps down.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 hours ago

Really? Do you have a link to bylaws or something?

A couple seems like plenty of notice to me under the circumstances.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"The Liberals don't deserve another chance,"

And Conservatives shouldn't even get a chance, yet Singh is handing them power on a silver plate.

Burning down the country and democracy in the West "to own the Libs" sounds like a plan we may never recover from.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)

The Conservatives will win either way. There's nothing in the next 10 months that would prevent the Conservatives from winning short of PP beating up children.

Voting no confidence now allows the NDP to viably compete for seats like Ottawa Centre where the liberals are weak and rebuild their influence and standing in the house. I don't see why it's the duty of every left-leaning party to prop up the Liberals as the natural governing party. Waiting 10 months isn't going to cause the NDP to sweep into government, it might at best just delay the inevitable if they're lucky, but more likely delaying will catastrophically wipe out their party by making them look like Liberal stage props.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

~~We're doomed. Probably.~~

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yup, and gov is in vacation until Jan 27th, so when they wil go back to work, Trump in its first week may have already destroyed a couple of things here and there in our economy

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Actually, that's a good thing. Parliament blow up before he arrives. The government itself will continue to operate.

Thanks, I thought they were coming back early January and was worried.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Yeah, WTF is he thinking? At least wait until October after we've had a chance to put out the Trump fire a bit.

Hopefully it's a bluff to get Trudeau to resign, but that's not really the typical NDP MO.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago (10 children)

WTF is he thinking?

For better or worse, he's probably reached the point where he thinks they need to cut all remaining ties to the Liberals, and not be seen as propping them up, formally or otherwise.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

With the Conservatives 20 points ahead in polls, it's definitely for worse.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

WTF is he thinking?

"The Bloc will let me do some performative grand standing. I hope."

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago

Get ready for one of the ugliest campaigns in living memory.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Please don’t do it Mr Singh.

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