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“It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working class people would find that the working class has abandoned them,” Sanders said.

“First, it was the white working class, and now it is Latino and Black workers as well. While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change. And they’re right.”

“Will the big money interests and well-paid consultants who control the Democratic Party learn any real lessons from this disastrous campaign?” Sanders asked.

“Will they understand the pain and political alienation that tens of millions of Americans are experiencing? Do they have any ideas as to how we can take on the increasingly powerful Oligarchy which has so much economic and political power? Probably not.”

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

I would vote for Bernie in a heartbeat.

He seems to always be on the right side of history, he understands the root causes of our national crises, and he has solutions.

Problem: Two-party system, voter apathy.

Solution: Ranked choice voting, remove electoral college (popular vote interstate compact).

Problem: Bought elections.

Solution: Repeal Citizens United.

Problem: Federal deficit spending.

Solution: Reform government contracts with private corpos so we're not getting gouged. Repurpose military budget. Tax the rich.

Problem: Ignorant and misinformed voting population.

Solution: More school funding, pay teachers more.

Problem: All surplus value is siphoned away from the working class.

Solution: Tax incentives for employee-owned companies. More support for unions.

Problem: Consumer price gouging.

Solution: Break up monopolies, punish anti-competitive behavior.

Problem: Irresponsible banking.

Solution: Un-repeal Glass-Steagall.

Problem: Expensive healthcare.

Solution: Universal healthcare. Don't even try to tell me we can't afford it.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

You guys need a labor party

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

This man has always cooked. I wish Dems had the ball to let him have the ticket both times he was snubbed despite cooking what needed to cooked.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 17 hours ago

Damn ivory tower liberal dems.

[–] [email protected] 433 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Jesus Christ still more sharp than Trump or Biden. We got fuckin robbed, man.

[–] [email protected] 184 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 120 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thrice you might say, considering we could have had a primary this time too but for Biden's hubris

[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

I'm not sure he would have ran again even if Biden stepped down in the most graceful way possible to be honest. The second time he ran I remember him saying a large part of why he did was because people kept telling him how much they felt the country needed him, while he himself was having doubts on his ability to fill the office in his age, or weighing the amount of stress it would bring, and even looking at his vote totals and wondering if the country even wanted him as president. He's gotta be tired, and my take on Sanders these past 8 years is if Trump didn't exist he'd have been a happily retired grandpa, and he's just trying to do whatever he thinks has the best chance to stop Trump and American Fascism in general. This perspective seems to make a lot of things line up including this verbal thrashing of his. He does have access to communication with top democratic play-makers, who knows how long hes been telling them something like this.

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 day ago

Robbed twice, still tries to help people. Can't say that about most politicians.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Yeah. The Democrats really screwed the pooch on that one. He's a solid candidate, and has stood on his moral stance from before the Democrats recognized the issues that are now popular.

Sorely needed, sorely missed.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Now is about the time of year I remember to say "Fuck Debbie Wasserman Shultz"

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 19 hours ago

Sanders is the OG

[–] [email protected] 33 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Had Trump won in 2020, he’d have taken the fall for the Recession and Hyperinflation and it would have caused a 2008 effect. Populist Wave haulted, strangled in it’s crib by Coronachan.

Had Trump won in 2020, he’d be done now and his VP would still be the democracy respecting Pence.

Trump when elected in 2016 had no major plan and mostly left the employees of the state intact, and in 2020 the change was minimal. Now there’s a full blown scheme to control the government

In 2020 they didn’t know how much they could get away with. They’ve seen the limits now.

Winning in 2020 means no January 6th shattering the overton window and leading SCOTUS to some interesting choices about power.

2020-2024 had one Supreme Court Justice to appoint. Now there’s another 2 if not 3

In 2020 it would have been close. Now Democrats will have to regain ground, New Jersey New Hampshire and Minnesota are now Swing States.

2016 Trump had his populist wave weakened by Gary Johnson and Evan McMulin who blocked the popular vote and kept states like Colorado and New Mexico out of his hands. 2016 Trump sucked with Hispanics. That initial wave would have burnt out with the COVID fuckery. Instead Democrats slotted in, took the 4 worst possible years, and are handing it back having effectively both given them another shot in the arm and crippled themselves. There goes the court. This isn’t John Kerry, it’s Carter.

I’ve heard of 2020 hindsight, but this is ridiculous

[–] [email protected] 8 points 19 hours ago

2020-2024 had one Supreme Court Justice to appoint. Now there’s another 2 if not 3

And you bet your ass they'll appoint them as young as possible so they've got their pocket justices for another 40 or 50 years.

[–] [email protected] 80 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Bernie Sanders is talking that shit.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 22 hours ago

Almost like he could have saved this whole scenario in 2016. Fuckin DNC kiss the ring Hillary bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

At this point I'd be in favor of him just starting a podcast and enjoying retirement. The left has to go around the DNC to effectively deliver their message, it's foolish to think otherwise.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

The dnc should all fall on their sword politically and admit that it would been better today had they given being their blessing and support when it would have mattered.

Then give Bernie power in the dnc to craft the future of the party. Find a new direction while there's still time

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 17 hours ago

I will always blame DWS, Clinton, and to a slightly lesser extent Brazile for the ruin of the party. Until there is proportional representation (i.e. never), there will never be a party that represents a great many of us.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 15 hours ago

Seems that the “big money interests” would be at odds with helping the working class.

[–] [email protected] 150 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

They keep giving us candidates nobody fucking wants and keep being surprised when they lose

And then it creates all this infighting where we're all blaming each other for being Bernie bros or third party protest voters when in reality it's the regular joes on the street who need to be convinced to give a fuck about their candidate, not terminally online hyperpolitical dweebs

The democrats are just gonna keep losing and our climate is going to slip deeper and deeper past the point of no return. Earths climate, our political climate, our social fabric, all of it. Slowly but surely being pissed down the drain because Joe Biden thought he should run despite middling approval ratings and massive health concerns, leaving us with literally zero choice but to back Harris once he inevitably stepped down. Because we had so called "superdelegates" choosing our candidates for us in the 2016 election when we were actually able to finally build a massive grassroots movement spearheaded by the Sanders campaign.

We're gonna keep losing, and we're gonna keep blaming each other, and the ruling class are just gonna keep sinking their claws deeper into what used to be ours.

I'll see you all again in four years, same time, same place, same fucking rigamarole

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[–] [email protected] 146 points 1 day ago (5 children)

“It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working class people would find that the working class has abandoned them,” Sanders said in a statement Wednesday. “First, it was the white working class, and now it is Latino and Black workers as well. While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change. And they’re right.”

Dems 100% sold them out and assumed they'd still vote D as long as a handful of issues were different.

The worse the Republicans got, the worse Dems got. Because they could get away with it and it increased donations.

The thing is it just energizes republicans and depresses Dem turnout.

If the goal is winning elections is a terrible strategy.

If you only care about money and the election is just a grift to you tho, it's a win/win. The result of the election doesn't really matter.

[–] [email protected] 83 points 1 day ago

and now the ratchet effect will kick in again:

"See? The people WANT the republicans. That's why they keep electing republicans. Therefore, if we want to be competitive, we must become more like republicans."

[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 day ago (4 children)

There was never really that much risk of Dems losing voters to the Repubs (at least as long as Trump was the R candidate). The real damage came from Dems losing enthusiasm.

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 1 day ago (3 children)

They need to swing for the fences more. Don't just bring forward the items that might pass, bring up the bills that really matter, again and again, and put that in an ad. I'm probably more politically in-tuned than most voters (clearly) and I only know of ONE vote to raise the minimum wage during Bidens term. It should've been a dozen votes and then Dems get to say they were fighting for the working class while the GOP gets paid to show up and say "No" to everything.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I think one way the party screwed up was by not cultivating younger Democrats to contend for the nomination this year. It's not like 2024 or Biden's age snuck up on anybody - they should have had a slate of viable options ready besides him. The Harris campaign was brilliantly run, especially on such short notice, and I don't blame her or the campaign one bit for failing. But as many analysts have pointed out, the public didn't feel like they knew her - the VP is surprisingly not super visible. One thing Trump had in his favor was that he was "the devil you know". He had already been President and we're still here, whereas they didn't feel they knew Harris. I thought that changed radically as the summer went on. She really seemed to grab everybody. It was electric and exhilarating. But apparently not enough.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

They royally fucked up three elections by pushing shitty unpopular candidates to the point where we ended up with a little fascist whiny bitch in office with unchecked power. We cannot rehabilitate the Democratic party, the damage is complete there is nothing there left to save. The democrats lost worse in 2024 than republicams did in 2020, we judge Republicans for hanging on to their party after it got commandeered by Trump, but when are democrats going to turn around and look in the mirror because our party fucked up worse than we could have possibly imagined and here we are sitting thinking it will be different next time, after twelve fucking years of this shit. Disaffected Republicans and Democrats must build a coalition to form a new party and kick out the old and stale guard that is holding on to our body of government like a tick with Lyme disease

[–] [email protected] 13 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

Democrats have definitely become the elitist party. They parade their rich celebrity friends around to inspire your vote. Can it become more ridiculous?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

Don't you mean Trump? The literal billionaire who represents the richest man in the world? Weird

[–] [email protected] 15 points 19 hours ago

Yea but with the republicans you already sorta expect it. Harris pivoted from a really sensible campaign that honestly I think would've won, to "look at all these rich people, celebrities and even right-wing warmongers who support me!" - and while I get the point - a dirtbag like Cheney supporting Harris is a sign of how fucked up Trump REALLY is - the message might not have been as clear to everyone.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

They parade their rich celebrity friends around to inspire your vote. Can it become more ridiculous?

Yes. They thought Dick Cheney would do the trick.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I fucking love Bernie. He needs a protege.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Not positive, but I think AOC is the closest thing right now in terms of message and visibility.

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 day ago (21 children)

I don’t buy this. In Nebraska there was an election between an independent union leader and a career politician. The union leader lost.

The consensus seems to be that people that voted democrat in 2020 voted republican this time because they experienced inflation under Biden that think it was his fault.

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