this doesn't hurt anyone, why would I pick this verse
Simply put the old testament is the pick and choose portion of the bible. Only slightly more complex is their ability to ignore similar sentiment in the new testament.
Yeah, the sequel retconned a bunch, but is actually more "love your neighbor" and way less violent than the original.
But the it has that weird Paul tangent that's just a collection of letters from a former Christian-hunter that changed sides where he gets really judgy about other Christians and he starts telling them how to act.
Started the process that made the only female apostle a whore. Only recently has that bit of self serving propaganda been debunked.
Edit: Found this. It isn't the same article I read several years ago but it examines the text of the gospels and even paul couldn't deny she was the first to spot jesus when he came out of his coma. https://uscatholic.org/articles/201603/who-framed-mary-magdalene/
Scared and ignorant, the reason religion exists at all…
Meanwhile, a few chapters later in the same book:
44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
TBH I can't blame Christians for being confused about what love looks like if this is what they believe God says.
I think most people assume the old testament is just stories like the new testament, but its full of legal technical stuff and obscure stuff like you quoted.
I think its chapter 2 or 3 that goes over how many animals you need to give to the church for what type of sin is committed. Like a list of fines.
"yOu CaNt ApPlY mOdErN mOrAlItY tO ThE bIbLe!"
Then stop using it as the basis for your modern faith.
“ YoU CAN’t kNow Gods True nAtuRe”
Proceeds to give you prescriptive moral guidance as if they know gods true nature.
33 That night the two girls got their father drunk, and the older daughter went and had sexual relations with him. But Lot did not know when she lay down or when she got up.
34 The next day the older daughter said to the younger, “Last night I had sexual relations with my father. Let’s get him drunk again tonight so you can go and have sexual relations with him, too. In this way we can use our father to have children to continue our family.”
35 So that night they got their father drunk again, and the younger daughter went and had sexual relations with him. Again, Lot did not know when she lay down or when she got up.
TBF you could pick the passages that do good and right for your fellow people and not the ones that are terrible. They ignore stuff they disagree with or find inconvenient all the time. So it’s a choice that says a lot about them for them to ignore the line to treat the asylum seeker or migrant well, but choose to obey some interpretation that does others harm.
The Mosaic laws are really quite interesting. These verses can work in tandem with those in Leviticus 19. There later is the understanding of why we were given the Mosaic laws, just for Jesus to disagree with them a bit later, which is explained in Matthew 19:3-8. "
3 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”
4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
7 “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”
8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning."
Many of the things discussed in the Pentateuch (first 5 books of the Bible, where the Mosaic laws lie), are just about how to live their day to day lives, and at the time they had many slaves, something that they wouldn't be willing to change. Instead of this, God commands how to treat these slaves. The Old Testament is full of confusing stuff, but it certainly isn't just from "the Jew section of the Bible" as suggested in another comment. It has value, but they must be understood through a specific lens, understanding the lives of the people God is talking to.
Thanks for the comment. If I may quibble:
and at the time they had many slaves[...]
If memory serves, the Mosaic laws are said to be delivered to the Jews 90 days into their wandering in the desert after crossing the Red Sea. Which means that the people who received these rules about slavery were all recently freed former slaves. Unless they immediately started re-enslaving each other while wandering the desert with manna raining from heaven and water springing up from the rocks, I would think that none of them owned slaves.
[...]something that they wouldn't be willing to change. Instead of this, God commands how to treat these slaves.
That line of reasoning has never sat right with me.
God doesn't want people to kill. He knows people will do it anyway. He doesn't say "Make it quick and painless when you kill someone." He says "Thou shalt not kill."
God doesn't want people to steal. He knows people will do it anyway. He doesn't say "Only steal from people who are well off and can afford to lose some possessions." He says "Thou shalt not steal."
I cannot imagine the guy who tells people to cut some skin off the end of their penis has any problem with making big asks of people.
There is no archeological evidence of Israelites residing in Egypt at the time of Moses nor of their enslavement there.
It is widely agreed that the tribes of Israel decended from Canaanites and other locals.
I wish modern christians would revise the bible. It's not like they haven't done it before.
Modern Christians did revise the Bible (Mormons) and made it more wacky.
There's no time of Moses. Moses is a mythical character (a lot of Christian like myself has no problems with the findings of archeology).
I can't speak with confidence on the existence of Moses or a figure that was the basis of the legend.
By the "time of Moses" I mean around 1300BCE.
It's hard to prove a man didn't exist. It's easy to state there is no evidence of Exodus as biblically described.
When I was young growing up Southern Baptist there was one time where the pastor preached about this verse, and the whiplash I felt when I heard family members bad-mouthing immigrants the moment they stepped outside is partly what led me to read the Bible myself, which led to me losing my faith.
Hello fellow former southern Baptist.
I hate to admit it took me way too long to realize the blatant hypocrisy.
Glad you made it out.
Half them can’t read, so they don’t know it exists.
The other half find their inability to read useful and don’t bother explaining so they can keep being assholes.
“That’s from the Jew section of the Bible.”
There is no longer Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male and female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Galations 3:28
damn it just keeps coming up! Its like this whole bible thing was really trying to get this whole 'dont be a dickhead' point home, shame its not working so well
That same section they always quote to hate on gay people
When old testament says to love someone instead of just smiting people, you know that shit is serious.
The artwork is giving off serious Asterix and Obeid vibes; do you know where it’s from?
It's from “Asterix and Caesar's Gift ” by René Goscinny and Albert Uderzo.
Man you are not going to believe this... Asterix and Obelix
But they hate themselves so maybe it's consistent in a weird way.
Or Matthew 25:40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
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