TenForward: Where Every Vulcan Knows Your Name

She was one of the only characters to have true growth. I loved her. Plus, Diana Muldaur is awesome. Still with us at 86!

Are you saying Winn didn't have character arc?

She had the biggest arc in startrek and it was masterfully acted...

The Elders tell me Pulaski was supposed to be “unlikable” but in a gruff, McCoy dammit-i’m-a-doctor kind of way.

But the fact that that wasn’t possible to do (and wouldn’t have worked if it was) apparently didn’t stop them from trying.

The sophomore slump hits everybody.

with every rewatch of TNG, i come to appreciate Pulaski more and more. her exchanges with Moriarty, in particular, make for an enjoyable watch.

She even had a decent character arc to become likeable.

Her whole arc was supposed to explore the idea of a kind-of rational and legitimate hatred, then see where it led.

That's what made the latest season of Orville so fucking good.

It wasn't just that she became likeable. Its that the guiding principles of the Planetary Union usher the crew towards a better galaxy, even when that path isn't immediately clear from the outset.

Personally I absolutely love Winn ...... because I hate her character so much.

As soon as I see her in an episode I know I'm gonna enjoy it because she'll leave a lasting memory for me as to why I dislike her so much. Louise Fletcher is such a beautiful actress because she makes you forget you're watching a TV show and makes you absolutely want to step into an air lock and blast yourself out into the vacuum of space just to leave her presence.

Good villains make you want to crawl in through the screen and punch them, and boy is Kai Winn a punchable character.

Ironically, I have never wanted to punch Q, but Sisko punched him and never Winn.

"Yes"

He's hated. But in a way that makes you want to see more of him.

If they'd only stopped making him so damned childish.

Ever seen Avenue5? Spike was what Neelix shoulda been and it's hilarious.

I found most of Voyager to be too cringy to watch.

It was just such a weird vibe, like they targeted it for kids who liked trek, and ultra-horny neckbeards at the exact same time.

Oh that would have been so nice, the last episode was very much "quick, we need to tie these threads!"

Kira going to save him from a trap through her faith somehow would have been so much cooler.

flipping through my big list of Star Wars characters to dislike

There are so many people ahead of her on the list.

• Prequels C3PO, all the cringe and none of the comedy

• Rose Tico, the plot hook that can't act

• Watto, the flying anti-semitism

• Snoke, what are you even doing here? The practice sphere Luke spared with in A New Hope advanced the plot more than you did.

• Porkins, the pilot who couldn't hold it together

• Maz Kanata, a bargain basement Yoda and absolutely abhorrent waste of Lupita Nyong'o's talents

• Jar Jar Binks

• Everyone who made the Star Wars Christmas Special possible

I get being a bit annoyed that they gender-swapped Luke Skywalker got to just kinda mime her way through the first three movies. But if the worst thing Disney did was file the serial numbers of the George Lucas originals and ad a splash of color to the cast, I can almost forgive them for it.

Even just within the third trilogy... Daisy Ridley was fucking trying to give that ham of a script some spice. And she managed to leave more on the table than Hayden Christensen did with the Anakin role. Hell, she ran circles around the desiccated corpse of Harrison Ford, an honorable mention for some of the worst performance in the series.

She's not even in the top five worst characters in the sixth best Star Wars series. Cut her some slack.

I think she's the banner target for frustration with the Disney sequels. Almost like Jar Jar for people who didn't like the prequels, although now that it's been 20 years people don't seem to hate Jar Jar as much.