Well yeah, but what this image doesn't mention is what would happen to the shareholders if we had paid leave for all in the US π° /j
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Our Philosophies:
- All workers must be paid a living wage for their labor.
- Income inequality is the main cause of lower living standards.
- Workers must join together and fight back for what is rightfully theirs.
- We must not be divided and conquered. Workers gain the most when they focus on unifying issues.
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- Higher wages for underpaid workers.
- Better worker representation, including but not limited to unions.
- Better and fewer working hours.
- Stimulating a massive wave of worker organizing in the United States and beyond.
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No, what it doesn't show is what the French people did to get all that paid leave.
Exactly!
The elite need to be reminded of the old ways. France is still champ in international internal politics. Their protests often end up being a real headbanger...
And what we must still do, regularly, to fight against people taking social rights from us. This is a hard thing to do, and we have lost a few battles lately.
How could the poor, poor CEOs afford their super yachts?
And their 24 new cars!
Sweden:
- 25-35 days vacation, most commonly.
- Maternity + paternity leave: 480 days combined, per child, + 10 days unannounced allowed for the parent not giving birth, immediately following the birth.
- Sick leave: almost βΎοΈ as far as I know, too..?
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Edit: I'm curious about the other Scandinavian countries regarding this topic (including Finland). If anyone from those countries wants to contribute here, please feel free!
pretty much the same in Denmark. I still don't know how to spend all of the vacation days. We just used up Mandatory 3 summer weeks, and I'm kinda tired of resting this year, but I still have 3 weeks left
Found out this year my country offers father's (up to a combined) 52 weeks paternity leave with pay (~60% full time earnings)
Couldn't imagine just dropping this little guy on my wife and heading to work the next day
I've always found it dumb that fathers get less paid leave. but i guess it's better than... checks notes... zero.
You could make the argument that they don't have massive body trauma to heal from...
But I think the time is more important to form that first bond more than anything
Bonding time is important but it's also important to get into the habit of looking after the children as a father. Otherwise odds on you won't manage to bond very well with either your child or the mother π
*mandated paid leave
There are a ton of people in the US who have really good paid leave policies at their jobs, it's just that there are also a ton of people who have really bad leave policies at their jobs
Yes, that's the point.
There are a ton of people in the US who have none of that paid leave.
In France (and many other countries), paid leave is a right that's protected by law. So everyone gets it.
Your comment is kind of like saying "It doesn't matter what minimum wage is because lots of people make more than minimum wage!"
Jesus. I wouldn't know what to do with 30 days vacation per year. That would be life changing.
I used to work in France. The 30 days is just the beginning. I ended up with 44 paid holidays per year towards the end of my contract. There are different types of paid leave and I got 9 days extra because one of my children has a disability.
However, the work culture in France is extremely toxic. You face a sort of social othering if you don't conform with the unspoken rules which are even harder to understand if French is not your first language. Punishments include being managed/bored out and being "put in the cupboard" where you're given a dead end role and basically left to rot until retirement. There's a history of work related suicide in France.
Even so, you are a lot more free than in other countries. I'm not complaining. Plus, unions still have actual powers there (although they're being eroded down)
That's just bare minimum mandated by law. Some companies offer even more than that.
Don't want to spend all your money on vacations? Just take Fridays off during your favourite season to spend outdoors!
Between my current job (unlimited PTO) and my last (30 days PTO) I've had 30+ for the last 10 years.
Last year I used 35+ days.
A lot of it goes to smaller things. 1 or 2 days here and there. Few days camping, turn a 3 day weekend in to a 4 day, etc... It really can change how you use your time.
Australia too. At least until we imported all that "contractor" bullshit from overseas. After 1 year service you get four weeks leave - every year.
I'm in France and have ~120 paid vacation days per year. My full time is 18h/week. The pay is okayish. But for all those advantages, it's great.
Reminds me of a comedians joke,
American: and how many sick days go you get off?
European: All of them? If you're sick, you don't go to work....
That's not a joke, that's just a fact. A sad fact for some of us on the left side of the pond.
So... I'm not shilling for the military, but....
Coast guard gets 30 days of leave, 3 months of paternity leave, and unlimited sick days.
Just saying.
Edit: to be clear, US Coast Guard.
It'd be cool except the non zero chance of catching a bullet just because I wanted to have benefits other people have for free.. and I know that I could be shot in civilian life too. But like, doesn't that just make it worse
I suppose. I'm far more likely to die in a helicopter crash. Never been shot at, nor have just about anybody I've worked with. The only people who have gone to a war zone in the past couple decades were people who specifically requested it.
Though I have worked with a few who survived helicopter crashes (five, between two crashes), so definitely not without its dangers. That's the specific job I chose, though. Plenty of jobs in the Coast Guard with paper cuts or oven-related burns as the most danger they'll experience.
Edit: to be clear, US Coast Guard.
Was about to say, the Lesotho coast guard doesn't have anything that good.
When one's employer has lower regard for their employee's welfare than the US military, something is well and truly borked.
t. many military friends and family with infinite horror stories about health damage outside of combat zones and lots of "Not Service Related" responses
The obligatory (paid ofc) vacation is 5 weeks not 6.
Lots of people have more, like 6 weeks + 12-24 RTT (days you can take here and there, it's really great) and sometimes you can trade them for money etc., with the exception of the 5 weeks.
In Massachusetts where I'm lucky enough to live, everyone is given at least 12 weeks paid bonding time for birth of a child that can be taken as needed for up to one year after birth of their child. The birthing parents also gets 6-8 weeks of additional paid time. I think some other New England states also have a similar benefits. It's an awesome program that should be modeled around the rest of the nation. Really IMO it should be a full 52 weeks, but I'll take it as a solid starting point
im in Virginia and one time i had a really bad norovirus infection and my employer told me i would terminated if i didn't show up and that he couldnt do anything about it (this was my 6th sick day in the past 11 months)
i showed up and had an accident on myself, very messy. Norovirus messy.
I walked into his office, reeking like hell, and i asked him if he had any mints or febreeze
He tried to send me home to change and i declined.
And some people say it's a toxic work culture in Japan. I mean, it's far from perfect, but still not like the example here.
The toxic culture in Japan stems from the unspoken expectations.
You have a 40 hour schedule, but you're expected to be in the office for +60. You get vacation time, but it's shameful to use it. Women (particularly young women) aren't given promotions or professional advancement because it's assumed they'll quit to become housewives as soon as they find a husband of a higher station.
All that shit you hear about microaggression, implicit bias, and structural racism run rampant in the Japanese corporate world.
When Japan capped overtime to 45 hours per month
It became shameful to log your overtime
Also to get time and a half you need to work over 60 hours but you donβt get that if you arenβt logging
Where I live in Canada, we used to have 0 paid sick days, then we got 3 days shortly before an election, and they lost and the replacement party removed those 3 paid sick days.
They also chopped down the unpaid sick days from 10 to 3, probably hoping nobody would notice.
Nobody noticed. They got re-elected with a majority vote (done by about 1/3 of the voting population)
my job has "paid sick time" but you cant use it if youre out of PTO and if you have PTO it takes off your PTO. how dumb is that. my coworker lost all his PTO by getting super sick for 2 weeks at the start of the year
We got a whole generation full of lead paint chips to thank for this