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[–] [email protected] 81 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

People, read the developers comments:

We know many of you are eager to play Ghost of Tsushima Director's Cut on handheld gaming devices like the Steam Deck. We're happy to share that the single player experience, including the Iki Island expansion, can be enjoyed on Steam Deck and similar handheld gaming PCs as we’ve worked extensively to optimize performance and deliver the best possible experience on these devices. You may notice that Steam marks the game as 'Unsupported' for Steam Deck. This is due to the Legends co-op multiplayer mode requiring Windows to access PlayStation Network integrated features. On behalf of everyone at Nixxes and Sucker Punch, we can't wait for PC players to start their adventure and fight for the freedom of Tsushima! Source: https://steamcommunity.com/games/2215430/announcements/detail/4188987871078331986

They strictly say that unfortunately it requires Windows to access PSN integrated features, so the multiplayer will not work because it requires said features. The singleplayer should work though. Since Concord is completely multiplayer, it needs the PSN features that only work on Windows.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Since Concord is completely multiplayer, it needs the PSN features that only work on Windows.

So did they code themselves into a corner because of malice or incompetence?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It is well known that many multiplayer games like Valorant do not work on Linux due to kernel anticheat. Unfortunately, this is a part of Linux gaming life.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 4 months ago (13 children)

Fuck installing any game that comes with a fucking rootkit

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 4 months ago

games like Valorant do not work on Linux

~~Un~~fortunately, this is a part of Linux gaming life.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago

What a perfect excuse to not pay for it!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

So are PlayStation consoles running Windows? FFS this is short sighted tying yourself to your competitor like that.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (6 children)

The point here is that the anticheat solution needs to be written for a specific operating system because it runs "outside" the game in a privileged way to try and detect cheating.

So they have anticheat on Windows, and their own consoles will have a different anticheat system that is specific for the console OS.

Running games on Linux via Proton is effectively an emulation or translation layer, and the Windows-specific anticheat is not going to work with that.

If Sony wanted to provide multiplayer support on Linux they'd also have to provide a native Linux implementation of the whole game, rather than relying on Proton, which sadly not many publishers are doing at all. So its technically quite understandable why this isn't possible.

Now, personally I think client anticheat is garbage and they should not be depending on that as a solution anyway, but that's a separate argument!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Isn’t there some way to design the multiplayer to not trust the client? Assume the client has aimbot and all can see through walls, etc. Design it with those things being expected instead of all this draconian pwn the user’s system nonsense.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

Server-side anticheat is more complicated to implement, so companies go with the lazy client-side rootkit instead

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Server side anticheat also requires trusted servers.

A lot of games are mostly P2P with minimal stuff actually happening on their own hardware.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Exactly, and that's why I expressed the sentiment that client anticheat is a poor solution. If you really really want to stop cheating, you have to do it on the infrastructure that you as the game developer have guaranteed and trusted control over, and that is the server.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Except we have a few ACs that work with proton. battleye and EAC being the notable examples.

https://areweanticheatyet.com/

The issue isn’t that the ACs can’t work. It’s that they don’t run at the kernel level under linux and so some developers have concerns that the ACs wont be as secure.

Though given how things have been lately with MP games. You have to wonder if theyre even secure to begin with.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

this is only mildly better then the conclusion jump. I am almost strictly single player, but the ideology of paying full price(which is becoming increasingly common to be 70$) for a game that I won't actually be able to use all the features of... it's not very appealing to me. Granted it isn't fair of me to expect it since the company doesn't advertise it as being non-windows friendly, but it still doesn't mean I need to buy it. If they want my support, they will need to at bare minimum have it be proton/wine compatible, even if shitty support. If I can't mark that box it's a solid not buying. It's a statistics case, if there are enough people like me, companies would change.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 4 months ago

You won’t let us install a rootkit on your system? :-(

Well no multiplayer for you, cheater! >:-(

[–] [email protected] 59 points 4 months ago (7 children)

The lesson here is don't buy anything from Sony because you don't get what you bought. Sony is a dead company. Don't even pirate their shit. Let the corpse rot where it falls.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 4 months ago (6 children)

This is especially egregious when you remember the PS4 and PS5 operating system are themselves based on FreeBSD, meaning the original game was natively targeting a Unix-like OS to begin with. So to then say it won’t run on Linux is a huge middle finger.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Good to know. I won't buy it. Yoho yoho I guess

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago

That's the simplest answer. See how awesome that card is when no one will buy it because we are fucking tired of hardware locking us on to Microsoft and closed source. Maybe 🤔 sell it to companies? LOL.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 4 months ago (1 children)

At least that rootkit anti-cheat prevents all the cheaters. There totally aren't any cheaters in games protected by rootkit anti cheat systems like in valorant. Right? Riiiiiiight?

Fuck em. I'll stick with games that work on steam deck and Linux then.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Honestly anti-cheat is dead going forward because much of the new cheats being developed exist hardware powered by machine learning. Competitive multiplayer is already just a shambling corpse, but somehow people haven't caught on yet.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 4 months ago

Funny how all the games that don't work on Linux also want your data must just be a technical thing though sure they aren't being malicious.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Japanese companies have anything other than utter contempt and animosity for your customers challenge (impossible)

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 4 months ago

this is going to do a better job of getting me to not play their game then they're helldivers 2 scandal. I'm avoiding Windows like the plague now and currently the only game I have to jump back to Windows for his Beast of Bermuda and I don't play that one all that often. There's no way in hell I'm going to even consider buying a new games that won't work on via Proton lol

[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Sony already stopped selling their games in my country due to them not wanting to put Estonia in the PSN country selection list but I guess I'll pirate their games even harder or something.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Headline is misleading since it gives impression Sony is intentionally going out of their way to prevent the game from working through Proton, but this is more the case of multiplayer component not working.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago

So you are saying that I can run the game but it will show me this error if I try to start multiplayer?

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago

Walled garden salesman nr 1, go fuck yourself sony. Gladly there are enough great games these days.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago (7 children)

Stop buying Playstation games, Sony have always been scummy.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Sony have always been scummy.

Never forget the literal rootkit Sony used as a "DRM" a while back lmao

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Back in PS3 days Sony were the ones that let you install any hard drive you wanted, didn't make you pay for multiplayer, and let you install Linux on your PS3.

But now they are worse overall.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago

enshittification machine go brr

wonder how much money microsoft gave them to do this

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I used to pirate games because I couldn't buy them. Now I pirate games because the publishers are greedy cunts who do layoffs to appease shareholders, shutter studios that make good games, and pull all the shit Sony's pulling this year 🖕

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

One year Sony installed rootkits on everyone's computers.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago

"We win too much money so fuck all those gamers"

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago

Ar yar, ahoy and avast!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago

Thanks sony for helping me not spend money on things I don't need.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Sony really doesn’t get it. Their leadership has seemed poor for a while now, I’m still annoyed they closed their Japan studio

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago

Guess I won't be playing Playstation games.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Already learned my lesson a while back. I bought Horizon Zero Dawn for the Steam Deck. Game is listed as Steam Deck Verified. Froze every time between 10-40 secs into the opening cinematic. Fortunately, Steam is awesome and gave me a refund.

Funny thing is that in searching around for a fix, I found a forum post somewhere that described exactly my problem. Started reading replies and finally realized the poster was on a PlayStation from way back when the game was first released. Good job Sony.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

There's so many amazing games on Linux that you'll never have the time to play all of them in your lifetime. So I'm not sure how this is bad news, just means less choice paralysis?

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