this post was submitted on 11 Jul 2024
221 points (97.8% liked)

News

23376 readers
3458 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil

Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.

2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.

Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.

3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.

Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.

4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.

Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.

5. Only recent news is allowed.

Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.

6. All posts must be news articles.

No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.

7. No duplicate posts.

If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.

8. Misinformation is prohibited.

Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.

9. No link shorteners.

The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.

10. Don't copy entire article in your post body

For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
221
2-year-old Arizona girl dies after dad leaves her in car during triple-digit heat: Police (abcnews.go.com)
submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
53 comments fedilink hide all child comments
 

A 2-year-old girl has died after her father left her in a hot car in Arizona, where residents are enduring triple-digit temperatures, according to authorities.

The father was running errands with his daughter, and when he returned home Tuesday afternoon, he allegedly knowingly left the 2-year-old in the car, Marana Police Capt. Tim Brunenkant told ABC News.

He left the car running and the air conditioning on, Brunenkant said.

The dad went into the house, and when he returned to the car between 30 and 60 minutes later, the car was off, Brunenkant said.

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 70 points 4 months ago (3 children)

The dad went into the house, and when he returned to the car between 30 and 60 minutes later

This is the part that really confuses me, they were home. I get that parents sometimes need a break from their kid but:

  1. You're home, so take your kid inside and then you go somewhere else.
  2. 30 to 60 minutes?!? I can understand taking 10 minutes (which is still a dangerous amount of time) but WTF was going on for 30 to 60 minutes.

I know it's not the point of the article, but I'm also annoyed at the idea of someone intending to run their car for 30-60 minutes for no reason. I will admit I've left my car running just for the comfort of A/C while I'm waiting, and I don't live in Arizona heat, but dude was home.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 months ago (3 children)

That's very different though. This article states he "knowingly left the 2-year-old in the car".

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

Wow I was really tired and missed that keyword, damn that's messed up. Definitely liable

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The only thing aside from wanting a break was maybe the kid was asleep and the engine keeps them asleep? Cars put lots of kids to sleep.

Didn't want to wake the kid and wanted the break?

Not an excuse though, should have stayed in the car if that's what was up.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

That’s Standard dad-poop session.he must’ve really been turtling. But if it came down to it, i would poop my pants and let my kid live. But i’m a good dad.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Try that fucker for murder.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah this isn't a tragic accident, like they so often are.

This is straight neglect.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It doesn't say, but as a parent of five kids, I'm going to bet the 2 year old fell asleep and dad didn't want to wake her. Maybe I'm being too generous, but I guess I'd need more information to be so certain about judging them.

I've probably done shit like this before although I'd never let the car out of my sight. And certainly not in 111 degrees. A/C doesn't really work that well when the car isn't in motion.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago (2 children)

As a parent of 4 kids I can safely say I would never leave them in a car in that heat. No matter the circumstances.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago

Agreed. You can carry a 2y inside or stay with them in the car to make sure they're safe

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

What I imagine has led decent parents to tragedy:

  1. Change in Routine - daily schedule changes after years of it being the exact same, now suddenly your coparent is sick or something and you get the kid

  2. Sleeping Child

  3. Miscommunication - parents believe the other already took the child out

Can you imagine… man. Most mistakes, consequences are more like you have to drive back to the store to pickup the milk you forgot. Not a lifetime of regret and maybe jail time, lawyers’ fees, judgement…

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Why was the car off when he returned if he left it running with the AC on?

It’s a tragedy, but if I’m on the jury I’m not sure I would convict him.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Many modern vehicles automatically turn off after 30-60 minutes idling "to save fuel". I order to turn it off you have to hit the A button on the dash. it's proven to be deadly.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Just curious, what kind of deadly situation is created when people leave their cars idling for so long?

I'm the kind of person that turns the car off if there is a train coming and I need to wait 5 minutes. I can't imagine leaving the car running for more than a couple of minutes.

I think if the car is turned on with a button and the key is replaced with a card that works at a distance, a feature that turns the car off when sitting idle for a while seems like a sensible thing. It's way more likely to be on by mistake than left running for a reason.

But would love to hear what kind of situations there are, I'm just unfamiliar with them.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

First obviously you don't want to let a car idle in an enclosed space. That's deadly to anyone in the car/garage but also potentially to folks inside the house if it is poorly ventilated.

I would definitely want the car running in 111 degree heat, even when stopped for a train or in a fast food line.

On the other hand, my vehicle, a Chevy Volt PHEV will turn itself off after about 4 hours. While this seems logical, a lot of people who camp inside it or use it to power their camp gear find it really inconvenient to have everything turn off at 1AM. So they recommend a hair tie around the gear shift button to keep the car from turning off.

So there are reasons both for having an auto-off feature and for not having it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Leaving a two-year-old alone in a car for 30-60 minutes (he doesn't even know how long he was gone) ~~isn't~~ is criminal in and of itself regardless of the weather. On top of that, he knew it was in the triple digits and he's also not so stupid that he doesn't know that cars can break down. I don't know what to tell you. I just hope you aren't responsible for any toddlers.

Edit: Stupid typo.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Leaving a two-year-old alone in a car for 30-60 minutes (he doesn’t even know how long he was gone) isn’t criminal in and of itself regardless of the weather.

... ummmm, yes it is. Leaving a toddler unattended for an extended period of time is literally multiple crimes.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

Oops. Meant is criminal.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

My mom's car, a mid-'10s Acura, will turn itself off if you leave with the key and get too far away from the car for too long without enabling valet mode.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Most modern cars have an auto-off feature. Some have a button to temporarily disable it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Mine is one such car but it only turns itself off while in drive to save gas at stoplights and such. It doesn’t turn itself off when running while in park.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You're thinking of the auto start-stop feature. That is a different feature which aims to save gas while you press the brake pedal.

What others in the thread are talking about is a feature that will fully power off the vehicle after it has been sitting idle for a longer period of time. This includes turning off the engine and any of the electronics that normally continue to run during the auto start-stop.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Could be but it must have a very long timeout. My wife frequently opts to wait in the car while I go run an errand, but I’ve admittedly never timed it. 30min would definitely be on the high end though. If I ever made her wait 60 I’d probably be divorced.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (3 children)

My 2020 VW Golf definitely turns itself off when in park, but also has the button to disable it.

It will even require a manual restart if it's been parked long enough, which gets annoying when I spend a little too long dropping off/picking up something, and don't notice the message, put it in drive, see the message and try to start the car, but can't until I put it back in park. /rant

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Because it looks like it may have been a tesla and those are failure machines for idiots.

The car probably had "AI" face detection of vulnerable children in high heat conditions which then triggered a "surge subscription" notification on the app. "Upgrade to infant climate+ NOW, in the next 2 minutes, or your air conditioning will be temporarily shifted to heater until you decide to upgrade. Thank you."

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

This shit is so fucking infuriating. That innocent child suffered before she died.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I blast my AC full blast and roll down all the windows just to pump gas in heat.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

You shouldn't have the car running while pumping gas.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

Did I mention I light up a cigarette, pull out my phone, then almost at the end I hold a water bottle and try to see if I can shoot.... I turn my car off.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children)

This is sort of a southerner thing. Up north, many gas stations actually ask you to keep your engine running while you pump. Because when it’s -20 degrees outside, turning your engine off is just asking to get stranded. And if you get stranded at a gas station overnight, (like when the lobby has closed but the pumps are still active for card transactions,) there’s a good chance you’ll be dead in the parking lot by the time the morning crew shows up to open.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

I have never seen this in new England. Where is that common?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Apparently southerners think "up north" is identical to Nome, Alaska 365 days a year.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Nah, my family’s just from Wisconsin.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Do you mean diesel? Literally never heard of this for regular cars

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

As a fellow parent, I will never empathize or sympathize with these poor decisions. How could you leave your fucking child in the car, NO MATTER THE CIRCUMSTANCES. Idgaf if they were sleeping or whatever. Idgaf how exhausted you are. You have a responsibility to your child. If they are so difficult to keep put them up for adoption or some shit. I’ve never and could never forget my kids or leave my kids somewhere like this. This is pure stupidity.

I don’t think he should be charged but the mother should be entitled to a divorce with alimony at the expense of the father. He is the type of person to not give a shit about anyone but himself.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I really want to wonder why this keeps happening but some people are just careless or evil. Or both.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

They're stupid and trust the car to keep running.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

I really hate motherfuckers that idle their car

load more comments
view more: next ›