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submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

*please note i deeply value and respect the vegan movement. i am just critical of how humorously it precipitates in online spaces, particularly this one. :)

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It's true and cringe, you should still go vegan though

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (8 children)

Some things are so horrible and evil that it's difficult to ridicule them, it requires a lot of creativity.

Carnism isn't one, carnism is an academic term, and carnist just means "a proponent of carnism" (it may be in some dictionaries already).

https://www.carnismdebunked.com/

Deal with it, meatflakes.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 months ago

bro said meatflakes 🤣 say it again

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

meatflakes sounds good. mmmm like bacon bits on a donut

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

~~Not a vegan, but you're an asshole. People recognize a genuine problem with an industry that contributes massively to climate change, antibiotic resistance, and environmental destruction, and you're mocking them? That's some South Park level shittyness/stupidity. Maybe one day you'll realize vegans have a point, but you probably won't own up to how much harm your attitude caused.~~

~~GTFO. You aren't welcome here.~~

Edit: thank you for editing the post. It really wasn't clear that it was meant to mock a shitty subset of vegans when you first posted it rather than the entire movement. I 100% agree that those people can be snobbish dicks.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

when on earth did i say i wasn’t vegan or disagreed with them :) i simply think the words are objectively very funny

edit: but taking your criticism to heart, ive just now edited the meme to be less acerbic and to better reflect my intention. thank you for sharing your thoughts. i don’t mean to be hurtful, just shining a light on the silly stuff in the world.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago (4 children)

The meme is about this type response. Hilarious.

Veganism does cause intellectual deficiencies. Did you forget to take your supplements?

[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 months ago (3 children)

“The meme is about this type response”

no it’s not.

personal attack against their intelligence

not cool. you should consider logging onto the internet and being kind to people.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Allowing bad ideas to propagate unchallenged helps no one.

There are studies behind the negative affects on brain health that occur with vegan diet are not something I made up.

Unlike the agenda based studies that vegans trot out, there is hard science backing it up.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago (1 children)

“no you don’t understand, bad ideas have to be challenged that’s why i was forced to personally insult you”

blocked for being rude. toodles ✌️

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago

I didn't personal insult you, you were insulted on someone's behalf. That's precious.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (6 children)

Surely this will make more people take vegans seriously!

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 months ago (4 children)

it is especially frustrating coming from a person who would die if they just stopped eating meat (eating disorder), I have mentioned this online and gotten responses from these people saying that they think it would be better for me to starve to death than to eat meat. it makes me depressed to know that some people want me dead

I am glad that people are able to go vegan but some of you go into a moralistic argument and act like everyone who eats meat is glad about it and gets off on torturing animals

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (8 children)

I'm a vegan, and fuck those people.

I've got a medical condition that meant I had to take it fairly slowly just it be sure my body wasn't going to literally fall apart when I went vegan, luckily I'm doing well (in a few ways I'm actually much better off now, though I'm still scared of falling apart). Medical conditions are valid as hell for not going vegan, I wasn't aware of how an eating disorder could prevent it but I've read a fair bit online now, so thankyou for sharing.

One of the scariest moments of my life was when my friends and I were publically assaulted by a pair of very large vegan men who didn't like that we weren't vegan. I was vego at the time but sure as hell wasn't going to tell them, people who act like that are an absolute disgrace and make me ashamed to be vegan. Veganism to me comes from a deep sense of empathy, if you can't feel empathy for other people then you're not a vegan as far as I'm concerned.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

obviously this doesn't work for everyone, but this is why i'm such a big proponent of meat alternatives

having stuff like pea protein nuggets fortified with vitamin B12 and whatever else is an actually practical way to reduce meat consumption, if we make it possible to replace meat and barely notice that you've done so then everyone but the meat industry wins, which is even more of a win for the rest of us.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago (1 children)

first time i heard someone using the term carnists it was being used as an insult and i was so confused because "wait why are vegans mad at carnivals now?"

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago

I once had a fling with a vegan girl who referred to me as a “carnie”, intending it to be a jab at me. Having worked in a carnival for several years I found it hilarious she tried to make it an insult.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago (5 children)

I get vegancirclejerk posts in my feed and in most cases I am not sure if these posts are serious or just making fun of vegans. Most of the time it looks like troll posts. It's more like a meat-hate cult.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Its a circlejerk, the whole idea is to troll

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago (35 children)

Me every time a militant vegan says "carnist":

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago (11 children)

I personally love cheesebreather, bloodmouth, and milk-drinker.

Bonus points to milk-drinker because that’s not even a term made by vegans to call people coward babies. Play Skyrim and you’ll hear it all over the place!

Carnist doesn’t count because it’s not technically an insult. It’s just a name for someone that practices carnism. Carnism IS terrible, but the purpose of the word is no different than Christian to Christianity.

It’s hilarious that carnists get so butthurt about being called what they are though so I enjoy that part.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I personally love cheesebreather, bloodmouth, and milk-drinker.

see i just couldn’t keep a straight face if you tried to say those while making eye contact 😭😭

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Reddit had some vegan communities that were about recipes and food-porn shots without constantly talking shit about people who ever eat anything non-vegan.

Lemmy... has some vegan communities.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I guess I don't see the posts you're referencing.

Also, I think you meant participates, not precipitates.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

no i mean precipitates, it’s one of my favorite words

e: a synonym would be “manifests” or “incarnates”

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Wow, I had no idea my known definition of precipitate was so low down the list of its meanings. Thanks!

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago (2 children)

and thank you for letting me flex my favorite word :)

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's... so counterproductive. It's like zero waste, we don't need a few people doing it perfectly, we need millions doing it imperfectly. By being such dicks and so combative about it, they actively are stopping people from having anything to do with them and reducing their animal product consumption. I've recieved various responses to this, from "If someone being mean to you stops you from not continuing to torture animals then you're a really shitty person" (and like yeah you don't have to convince me, I'm already suicidal, but contrarianism and not liking groups that are dicks to you is human nature) to "I don't care, you're evil and deserve to feel bad" it really seems to me like those people ironically just like hurting others and don't really actually care about improving lives for animals. Give up animal products? Sure! Give up shitting on people? NEVER! Certainly not all vegans are this way but the vitriolic ones online certainly are and give the rest such a bad name.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Awww they're not hurting no one...

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You misunderstand.

I get the fun and appeal of being a little mean, but you're punching down innit? It feels weird to call out a group that's not hurting anyone.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (3 children)

i call out groups all the time when they do funny stuff

marvel fans aren’t hurting anyone either but i often make fun of them :) i wouldn’t personally call that punching down but if you must, feel free i guess

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago

Typical hypolipidemaniac.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (7 children)

If you value veganism either you should be vegan or you're lazy and want others to fix problems while you hinder them

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago

For every person I see who is actually vegan, there are a dozen people who complain about the existence of vegans, denounce vegans as hypocrites, and insist vegans are doing veganism wrong. And thank the heavens for all those vegan Indians, or the numbers would be so much worse.

Americans simply have no idea how fucking expensive it is to produce meat at the scale they want to eat it. We are one Dust Bowl away from ground beef going to $12/lb and patriotic burger-eaters lighting the suburbs on fire in protest.

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