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[–] [email protected] 56 points 3 months ago (48 children)

That was the worst? If they came up with that on their own and didn't just copy someone then that's pretty creative at least.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (12 children)

I'm going to message this to every woman, femboy and twink on bumble and then maybe I can finally get some ass.

Edit: Welp, I'm banned now

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (15 children)

Dating apps and whatnot are a joke anyways, these days.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I can get my dick sucked every few hours all week.

Caveat: by men

Plot twist: I'm bi

Double twist: I'm married

Final twist: I'm lying

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I knew it! You do the dick sucking.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It’s fascinating that profits hinge on providing a slightly below par experience on most forms of social media, dating apps included. Facebook et al require it for rage interactions while dating apps need it to maintain a userbase to populate and pay for the service.

Love me some lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (9 children)

To be honest I don't think it does need to keep the users who succeed to stay profitable. It's just they can't handle the numbers not growing every year. There are always new people trying to find a date, and I think a service that wasn't greedy could make something that works for the users and the company both.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Now this feels like a vintage meme.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 months ago (2 children)

At the peak of Harry Potter craze, this might have worked well. Sounds like an older millennial

[–] [email protected] 53 points 3 months ago (1 children)

All millennials are older millennials at this point. Source: seeing what Father Time has done to my beautiful body

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago

Daddy Time, please.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (11 children)

The recipient might be in the same age range

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's leviosa, not leviosa.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

come on harry, you're the chosen one

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

After reading this thread I feel like the original post is more like a soapbox than a shitpost. No personal opinion about the politics but I thought this was a humour sub.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

It was not originally intended to be a soap box.

I thought my reaction to the pickup line would be found humorous especially with the juxtaposition of JK Rowling being a monster.

I've apparently just spent too much time in mostly trans spaces that I underestimated the support JK has on Lemmy outside of trans communities.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Most people disconnect the media from the creator... Not all, but hating on everyone who likes Harry Potter makes you look like a lunatic.

Fuck, Tolkien had some fucked up ideas too, but I'm not going around calling people out on it.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I thought it was funny.

As far as supporting JKR goes: JKR is a horrible person who no-one should listen to but Harry Potter is pop culture. I'm pretty comfortable personally with disconnecting the two in my head. I don't think people enjoying Harry Potter should be seen as "supporting JKR", hell a lot of them wouldn't even be aware of JKRs noise.

Obviously I haven't read the comments here a ton but are people really supporting JKR or are you just treating people enjoying Harry Potter as support for JKR? I think there should be a distinction. It's not really people's job to deep dive into the personal lives of the creators or people involved in every piece of art they enjoy.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (3 children)

It's a little bit of both of what you listed. Enjoying Harry Potter on its own is generally fine... The problem I have with it personally, especially in this case, is that JKR has specifically stated multiple times that the funds from it go directly to anti-trans organizations.

People are allowed to enjoy whatever they want to enjoy, but if that thing directly funds hate... I am likely to think less fondly of them.

Similarly, if someone says their favorite person is Andrew Tate, I probably won't match with them.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Can you link me something she said that makes her a monster to you? Genuinely curious.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

"Monster" may be a little extreme, but here's a review of her body of work up to that point.

Generally, she has very questionable views on body image, her "sympathetic" characters are quick to judge and reinforce the status quo, her very questionable story line with S.P.E.W. and the House Elves, which resulted in Harry Potter fans rationalizing race based slavery.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (3 children)

It's not extreme. She is the most active, vocal, and prominent anti-trans advocate out there. She is a huge part of the push that is ruining people's lives in the UK.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Damn echo chambers are real lol. I feel like all I've heard for the past five years is how she's a walking, tweeting shitstorm.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

This here is also a good video to find out why one would call her that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou_xvXJJk7k

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Here's some examples though this doesn't appear to be entirely inclusive: https://glaad.org/gap/jk-rowling/

I appreciate that you're willing to learn and reaching out for resources.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (32 children)

The Death of the Author.

She didn't get blatantly bigoted until after the series.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Not blatantly, but there are signs of it even in the first book; and as the books go on, you can see almost in real time her political views shift from criticizing the system to defending it as she started becoming wealthy and benefiting from the system.

I highly recommend watching Shaun's 2 hour video on the subject, as it goes into great detail on the subject and makes for perfect podcast material.

Some highlights include:

  • Obesity as a moral failing - want to make a character seem bad? Just make them fat!
  • Masculine features as a negative trait for women (sound familiar?) - want to make a teenage girl bad (and ugly) but don't want to make her fat? Just talk over and over about her "mannish hands" and sharp jawline.
  • Token minority characters that are often stereotypes or border on racism - the black kid is named Shacklebolt, the Asian girl is named two single syllable last names (might as well have called her Ching Chong), the 12 year old Irish kid is obsessed with turning drinks into whiskey and blowing stuff up, etc.
  • The defense of the slavery of house elves using the exact same arguments that slave owners used before the Civil War in the US mentioned by somebody else, with a bonus criticism of Hermione as a girl with blue hair and pronouns for questioning and trying to change the system.
  • There are no good or bad actions, only good or bad people. It's okay for the right people to use the torture spell, because they're the "good guys."
  • And a resolution that basically resolves nothing. Harry doesn't kill Voldemort, he kills himself due to a magic technicality, and Harry goes on to become a magic cop to ensure the flawed system that the early books criticized doesn't change.
[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (5 children)

I feel like most of those things are not accurate, or are not good faith criticism. It's worth remembering that until the whole trans thing, the Harry Potter series was seen as very liberal to the point where some conservatives boycotted it.

-Harry isn't a "cop", like hes not walking the beat arresting people, hes a dark wizard catcher. Which is perfectly rational given dark wizards killed his parents and they're pretty explicitly fascists.

-a pretty huge part of the books is devoted to how good people can do bad things and bad people can do good things. Barty Crouch Sr is a whole character who is there to show how the good guys can end up being nearly as bad and brutal as the bad guys because they think the ends justify the means and in times of crisis people are willing to compromise their morals.

-Hermione is ridiculed for sticking up for house elves but she's also right, as Harry starts to realize by the end of the books. It's worth noting that the two most steadfast supporters of house elves are Hermione and dumbledore, aka Rowlings "always right about everything" characters

-Seamus is pretty yikesy in the movies but 90% of the stuff isn't in the books. Idk I thought he was a little racist, although still ultimately a good guy. Cho Chang has a stereotypical name but so what? I don't think it's racist in itself. I literally work with a guy named Ying Yang.

-I don't think obesity is used as a failing, gluttony is used as a failing, as in a favorite expression among leftists, the "fat cat". There are plenty of other overweight characters that are good and righteous like Ms Weasly, Slughorn (kinda), and Hagrid.

-I'm not sure who you're referring to with regards to describing teenage females as unattractive but that seems kinda cherry picked. Harry ends up with Ginny who in the books is described as a tomboy. The biggest female villain is arguably Umbridge who is very stereotypically feminine

I'm not defending Rowling as a person at all, or her statements about trans people, but the criticism of Harry potter feels very much like going back and reexamining them with an agenda. You can do the same uncharitable thing with any fantasy series. Hell, off the top of my head I can think of much worse criticisms of lord of the rings or game of thrones but people don't seem to want to nitpick those the same way.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

Harry isn't a "cop", like hes not walking the beat arresting people, hes a dark wizard catcher. Which is perfectly rational given dark wizards killed his parents and they're pretty explicitly fascists.

He's part of the Department of Magical Law Enforcement, the closest thing to his job IRL would be something like a cop in a gang task force.

I literally work with a guy named Ying Yang.

I had two professors in college named Bing Yang and Chingmin Yang. Both math professors. Had one for probability and statistics and the other for discrete math.

I'm not defending Rowling as a person at all, or her statements about trans people, but the criticism of Harry potter feels very much like going back and reexamining them with an agenda.

Because that's exactly what it is. It's mostly people that were huge fans that know the books well enough for those kinds of analyses, and they mostly didn't start these kinds of positions on them until JK said things about trans people.

And TERFy stuff was still common enough just 15 years ago that when Mary Daly died all the big feminist sites wrote these glowing memorials about how she was so influential to their feminist beliefs and then most issued an apology, retraction or the like when they realized the size of their trans audience.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, that doesn't surprise me, I guess. Money changes people; status and power changes people.

Obesity as a moral failing - want to make a character seem bad? Just make them fat

Although, there were fat good guys, and many non-fat bad guys. There wasn't a particularly late amount of obesity in the books. That point seems a stretch, to me.

Token minority characters that are often stereotypes or border on racism - the black kid is named Shacklebolt, the Asian girl is named two single syllable last names (might as well have called her Ching Chong),

Schacklebolt is pretty bad, but I think we also have to consider Rowling's cultural upbringing. Of she were from the US, it would be blatantly shocking. The UK didn't have systemic domestic slavery based on race; I don't know that it's fair to judge her based on US critical race theory; the UK has it's own version, for sure, but it has different foundations.

As for Cho Chang, it is common for Chinese proper names to have two syllables (2 and 3 character names account for over 99% of the given names - 1 syllable named account for 0.6%). I don't remember her background, but if any of her recent ancestors (parents, grandparents) were immigrants, then it would be less believable and more forced for her to not have a multi-syllable name.

Rowling has enough criticizable behavior; we don't have to exaggerate by turning otherwise non- controversial facts into issues.

the 12 year old irish kid is obsessed with turning drinks into whiskey and blowing stuff up, etc.

That's most 12 y/o boys, but making it the Irish kid is a fair point.

I think nearly all of these ignore counter-examples where, e.g., every other Irish person in the family isn't an IRA stand-in. That also ignore the fact that every true villain is WAS(P), and that the "crazy" character is so white she's practically albino.

The defense of the slavery of house elves using the exact same

It's defense only used by villains. Hermione actively pursues ending the practice, and it's described as being a terrible practice. How does the fact that villains - and only villains, or in one case, inherited - in the books practice slavery condemn Rowling?

criticism of Hermione as a girl with blue hair and pronouns for questioning and trying to change the system.

Are we ignoring that Hermione was one of the four, central hero's of each of the novels? I don't remember any criticism of her except by the establishment.

There are no good or bad actions, only good or bad people. It's okay for the right people to use the torture spell, because they're the "good guys."

Yeah. I agree, there's a lot of questionable justification of behavior in this. I mean, everyone lets slide the exact same justifications in GoT, but, hey.

And a resolution that basically resolves nothing. Harry doesn't kill Voldemort, he kills himself due to a magic technicality, and Harry goes on to become a magic cop to ensure the flawed system that the early books criticized doesn't change.

Agreed. An utterly unsatisfying resolution, which I interpreted as a statement that there are no good and bad people, just good and bad behavior. When the key hero turns out to be not such a hero in the end; when you expect something more noble, but what you get is reality - good doesn't always triumph, people in wars die indiscriminately, and in the end centuries of established practices continue and survive intact despite great upheaval... yup! It's a depressing statement, but I still think it was a statement.

I think Rowling changed as money changed her; she hid bigotry less as she became convinced of the armor of her own popularity; but she also had a kid who grew and changed in time with the novels, and she changed the story to match the loss of innocence and realization that fighting the establishment is hard, expensive, and not guaranteed to succeed. The good guys do not always win; they don't always survive the encounter coming out the same person they started as.

I won't defend Rowling, but I also think some of the criticisms are reaching, merely in an attempt to vilify her as much as possible mainly for her homophobic views. Which, ironically, there were no examples of in her novels, and so nothing to call her out about except by its absence.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

hermione was criticized a lot by pretty much everyone when she tried to free the house elves and made badges etc.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Isn't that the fate of any activist in a communal group? And, in the end, she was right, wasn't she? Isn't it better to teach that activism will usually be met with resistance, by even your friends, than to teach people to expect your revelation of inequality to suddenly be universally be adopted by your peer group?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

the black kid is named Shacklebolt

I'm probably missing context but what's wrong with the name?

Asian girl is named two single syllable last names

But isn't that extremely common? I personally know like three people like that and I know a pretty limited number of people from East Asia.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Shacklebolt = Shackled and bolted down = Enslaved

Not a great name for basically the only black person in the books.

Cho Chang = Both are Chinese or Korean LAST names. 'Cho' isn't a first name in any Asian language, so she's mixing and matching languages and cultures. She also only describes her as 'Asian' in the books, furthering how little effort was put in.

It's like saying 'Lombardi Fernandez' is a European name. Ignorant on multiple accounts.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Shacklebolt = Shackled and bolted down = Enslaved

Oh okay, I didn't make that connection. I wonder if it was intentional, that'd be lol

Cho Chang = Both are Chinese or Korean LAST names. ‘Cho’ isn’t a first name in any Asian language, so she’s mixing and matching languages and cultures. She also only describes her as ‘Asian’ in the books, furthering how little effort was put in.

I don't know, does every character need that sort of specific cultural background associated with them? You give the example of "Lombardi Fernandez" and just describing that person as "European" or Latino or something liket that would seem totally fine to me. Actually the name being a mix could serve as a purposeful way of having their background be more vague not to tie it down in a specific country or even culture.

And with the name not being "correct", doesn't she use some wacky names for characters anyway? So it's not like name authenticity otherwise is respected iirc.

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