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[–] [email protected] 218 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Ironic that Libertarians are banning things in their own subreddit.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 5 months ago (19 children)

Not at all, there's no such thing as a right wing libertarian. Just liberals who think their girlfriends shouldn't need carseats.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago (3 children)

That doesn't cover the Republicans that want to be able to do drugs

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Ding ding ding! We have a winner. If Joseph Dejacqe were still alive. So called right wing libertarians would be the ones he was railing against.

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[–] [email protected] 131 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Libertarians: people too stupid to fully understand their own ideologies

[–] [email protected] 83 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Libertarianism is for the philosophically lazy,or people born into a super conservative family and can't handle the cognitive dissonance caused by realizing that liberalism is the more Christian political ideology. Source: I'm from UT.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (6 children)

It's just a smokescreen for selfish/embarrassed economic liberals. This was the man that coined and defined Libertarianism. Right wingers need not apply. The modern "libertarian" party is a necrophilic oxymoron.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They're just conservatives who want to be able to smoke weed and fuck children.

Actually scratch that; conservatives already want to do the latter.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

They already do the latter. They want to make it legal beyond child marriage.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 5 months ago (22 children)

Been banned from there. Basically only right-lib or ancap views are allowed there, left-lib (me) need not apply.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Yeah and if not a bicycle then a Libertarian should at least go with an EV.

Gasoline requires requires far away refineries supplied with crude oil that comes even further away. The government needs to maintain a large military to secure foreign oil to keep the global oil prices down because that's the rate everyone has to pay in a capitalist system. Even then oilt prices are subject to regulation by OPEC, which is an international organization that we don't have any say in.

Meanwhile an EV can be charged by a wind turbine in your home town or even a solar panel on your roof. I suppose the lithium for the battery comes for further away, but once you own that battery you own it. You aren't dependent of oil coming from very far away every week. Sure you'll eventually have to replace that battery, but it's way less frequent than having to gas up. And if it came down to it you could probably produce a battery more locally without lithium if you're willing to sacrifice range.

The fact is a libertarian utopia simply isn't possible with a dependence on oil. Oil is the most international business in the world and requires the most support form the government to function. But with EVs it may be possible to have everything needed for a society to function within a small region. You need big government to get a reliable supply of oil, but with EVs and renewable energy, big government isn't as necessary.

And yeah bicycles are even better than EV in terms of libertarian ideals.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 5 months ago (1 children)

it's the libertarians... you should've said the bicycle lowers the age of consent or something.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 months ago

[Hapless user] "Kids are allowed to use bicycles! Government requires you to be a late teen or adult to drive a car!"

[Libertarian mod] "Banned. It's not that age of consent we want lowered!"

[–] [email protected] 46 points 5 months ago

Woke mods can't handle facts and logic

[–] [email protected] 42 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Whoever posted that doesn't understand libertarians.

If there were no government regulations, they would have nothing to complain about and their lives would be ruined.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 5 months ago (21 children)

If there were no government regulations, they would have nothing to complain about

I promise you that if you put a libertarian into a place without government regulation, they will still insist that there is a secret government regulation responsible for their lives being shit.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago

Sadly, I think you're probably right. I used to tell them to go to Rwanda if they wanted to live in a tax-free utopia, but Rwanda has taxation now what with it having a more or less functional government now.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago

I would say that whoever posted that understands libertarians perfectly, and maybe libertarians don't understand themselves and libertarianism

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (14 children)

You gotta wear a helmet though in some places, and depending on where you are you may have to do much more than that

Gotta keep one hand on the handlebars

Gotta have a light

CAN'T RIDE WITH TWO PEOPLE ON THE SAME SEAT

YOU HAVE TO USE FUCKING HAND SIGNALS I THOUGHT THIS WAS AMERICA NOT JUST AMERICA BUT TEXAS FOR GOD'S SAKE

(Fun fact, I actually met someone who got deported after getting stopped by the cops, originally, for riding a bike at night without a light 🙁)

(Edit: Also... banning someone from the libertarian subreddit because they said something you feel like they shouldn't be allowed to say, so you have to use your administrative controls to silence them, is frickin hilarious. Not that I am surprised.)

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 5 months ago (2 children)

The first time I heard the phrase "become ungovernable", I assumed it was about home gardening and biking and reducing consumer waste. Imagine my disappointment when I found out it was actually about perpetuating institutional inequality and "fuck you, got mine."

[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 months ago

It's just another thing right libertarians stole from anarchists. I'm pretty sure Emma Goldman was the originator of the whole "become ungovernable" thing (could be totally wrong about that so take it with a bucket of salt) and she definitely meant it haha. Part of that is gardening and various other community building acts, but the other part is very "seize the means of production" and assassinating authority figures. Less "fuck you, got mine" and more "give everybody everything or die"

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What do you mean? It's still an anarchist thing.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Right-wing "libertarians" only know how to steal actual libertarian thought and shit all over it.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 5 months ago

No ban on riding a bike? Apparently they never met MOM!

[–] [email protected] 28 points 5 months ago

they hated him because he spoke the truth

[–] [email protected] 28 points 5 months ago (6 children)

I won't tell them to be consistent, because consistent liberterians are scary.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (16 children)

You don't like getting into very detailed conversations about age of consent laws and child pornography?

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I think that could also have been cross-posted into [email protected] as well.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

A very similar post was on fuckcars, or something related, a few days ago.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, american libertarians call themselves the wrong thing. The more correct term I find would be anarcho-capitalist, which is just all around a completely non-viable economic and governance system.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Anarcho-capitalism is actually perfectly viable for a "functional" society. Goods will be made, and the people will be fed in accordance with the wishes of the ruling class.

It's just not anarchism, and it's not good. It's just the capitalist class fully assuming the powers of state and production with none of the responsibilities to the people or any of those pesky human rights.

So, you know. Corporate Fascism.

But it would work. It has worked. American company towns weren't far different from what the ancap dream ultimately is, and they were functional, as long as you don't define functional as protecting human and worker rights and allowing for social mobility.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 months ago (19 children)

Lol, next you'll be telling me libertarianism only exists in any kind of numbers because the fossil fuel and meat lobbies want to pay less tax and abide by fewer regulations....

No, of course, they'll still charge a levy for people using THIER stuff to make money for themselves. In fact, its their favourite part. They love that bit. They just don't think it should apply to them.

In the same way an employee using their software/clients/computer/factory/property will be charged, a state will charge the owner for using their educated for force etc. etc. The only difference is the state-ness of one of the parties, even when companies can exist as a state.

However, they'll act like you just asked to fuck their mum when the subject of paying taxes comes up. Then, theyll look you dead in the eye and claim its a moral issue, without a hint of shame.

States can do one too. I'm just saying, don't fall for it. They either haven't critically evaluated it properly or they think you're an idiot.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Just a frame, a chain, two wheels, and some grease!

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Libertarians are nothing but Republicans who dont want the baggage, anyway. So its hardly surprising that they act just like all the other right wing subreddits.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Americans are in such bad shape that they think liberalism is leftist, in 2024.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago

Wow that's wonderful, what a brilliant creation. Kudos to the artist.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago

The dodge ram or just ram these days is the libertarian god.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (8 children)

r/libertarian became the home for r/the_donald refugees. These people do not ride bikes and are immune to logic.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Missed putting a bit about how cars erode fourth amendment rights.

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