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[–] [email protected] 166 points 5 months ago (2 children)

For the shoplifting thing, it depends which store it is. Big chain grocery store? Yeah, I couldn't care less what someone takes. Small single owner shop? Fuck you for stealing from that guy. Those stores struggle enough just trying to compete with the Walmarts of the world.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Stealing food? I didn't see shit.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Absolutely yes, but also, choose your targets. Walmart ain't gonna miss it. The local bodega will.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 months ago

When the food is multiple grocery bags full of steaks I'm a little less inclined to a charitable view.

That said, I'm still not going to do anything about it. Intervening on the behalf of a grocery store is insane, even if I were opposed to what's happening. Not my monkeys, not my circus.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

"Gotta eat to live, gotta steal to eat, otherwise we'd get along!"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Riffraff! Street rat! I don't buy that! If only they'd look closer… Would they see a poor boy? No, siree They'd find out there's so much more to me

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Wal mart is still the one and only store I used to steal from back in 90’s. Had to wear umbro shorts since they had that webbing in them and then grab a few CDs and beads to make necklaces that I would sell. By the time I got to high school I was over the shop lifting thing.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Much like pirating Nintendo games, it is morally correct to shoplift from Walmart, assuming you have the skill to get away with it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

Plus it was the only way I could get CDs with explicit lyrics like Rage Against the Machine

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Most stores don't stop you. The security guards are just there for the police report and a description. That said, if you get recognized coming back to the same store, they will call the cops.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

If there's a police report, you didn't get away with it unless you're never going to that store again. Which is probably not usually the case.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Wait, is sleeping in your car illegal???

[–] [email protected] 50 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

"Freedom is always the freedom of the rich" – Ayn Rand, I guess

[–] [email protected] 38 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

In many cities in the US, not only is it illegal, they will charge you with DUI if you appear at all intoxicated, and the keys to the car were at all available to you. Available in this case can mean that you were in the back seat sleeping and the keys were in the front console, or one of the front seats. Don't even think about running your car to stay warm/cool.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (19 children)

Is that whole sobriety test thing real in the US? Like, stand on one leg and recite the alphabet etc? I've seen it on TV but always thought it was pretty stupid. In the UK the police have breath-tested for drink driving since 1967.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago

Depends. Smaller townships without regular access to a breathalyzer, yes. Or cops trying to get you to admit that you are intoxicated.

I walked a straight line while touching my nose because the cop smelled alcohol in the car (rightly so, my wife, then gf, was smashed). Took about 10 seconds for him to go "So obviously that's all her, have a good night!".

So yes, it does happen.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's real, and it's totally based on the officer's gut feelings. Hell breathalyzers over analyze over 70% of the time.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

tools to combat drunk driving are not entirely based in science

To the point that the accuracy of breathalyzers has been challenged so many times in CA that it's to the point that if the cops in CA have you breathe into a machine and that machine returns a number that would constitute a DUI if that were your BAC then it's a DUI, regardless of what the machine actually does or whether the number in question is actually connected to your real BAC in any way.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Oh they do both. And you can get what they call a DWI (Driving While Impaired) just on the basis of the circus act in some states. So the breath test comes back at say, .037, which is well within the legal limit. The cop can charge you with DWI anyways based on your bad balance.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's all really just an excuse by the popo to book you. Which is why you should always ask for the breathalyzer if you really weren't drinking.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago (1 children)

No but it is illegal to park in most places after hours. You will get hit with trespassing.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

In what sort of un-free shitehole is that a law?!?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (6 children)
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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

I have so many questions.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

a tent in the woods

That's where tents belong, though. It's called camping.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I thought people only went glamping nowadays.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 5 months ago

i genuinely can't believe there are laws around sleeping in vehicles these days. You want me to pack up and fuck off after a day? Fine, i'll do that, i can live with that. Fuck you for making it illegal though. Actual bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 5 months ago

I only lie to three people. Cops, judges, and my parents.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 5 months ago

I remember being told that an adult could sleep in a car, but with a child, sleeping in a car is considered "endangerment". Doubly so if you're a CIS gender male with a female child. This was a Texas CPS social worker. We just had a flood and were brainstorming ideas for temporary shelter for folks.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago

Totally!.... At the home Depot if someone shoplifts a drill, tell them where the drill bits are. Chances are they won't be able to come back to home Depot again for a while. They might as well have all they need.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Why not buy some under water drills and an underwater propulsion device then go down to the marina and sink some expensive yatchs? How about slashing some police tires?

Why not study an industry you wanna take down and figure out how? Or gather an online flash mob and invade a conservative website or institution. How about running for office at your local council? Or sending letters to good and bad politicians saying what you think. Contact the media about something you believe but make sure it's the right level for what you're saying.

Or go read some leftwing theory.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

Some of that is adventurism, so I would say organizing comes first. Sinking yachts does little without a mass leftist movement to take advantage of the damage.

Theory is great too, it makes your practice sharper.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago

And we pay to keep them homeless between shit charities with stocked boards making $100k yearly, ER visits, and arrests/enforcement.. This system of capitalism is totally ducked build dense affordable housing, and watch America become actually great again.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I never snitch, ever. If my neighbour was a serial killer, I'd just move instead of calling the cops.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago

i'd give him a shopping list...

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What if they're shoplifting at my store?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago

Then direct them to Walmart because your owner-operated store with no employees is too rare already.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (4 children)

I know people who are shoplifting for "fun" or for "the thrill". They don't even care about the items and they definitely don't care about the shop owner. They just do it when they see the chances.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Unless it's a small business, I don't care about the shop owner, either.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Won't anyone think of the shareholders!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Many will, but I won't be among them!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

Gas Station Encounters is a great channel to see shoplifters in action.

Pays 100$ for gas, 50$ worth of scratch tickets, 20$ worth of soda

Steals a 50¢ candy bar

Some people are just... lmao

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

But who are we to judge when shoplifting is appropriate or not? Also, if you are shoplifting to spite the capitalist system, you are doing society a favor. If you are shoplifting in a small self-owned store that is struggling itself, this would be less than ideal. But all other large corporate-owned shops are ethically OK to shoplift imo.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

I sleep outside just because sometimes. So anyways homeless people don't exist right?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I guess it depends on what you're shoplifting and who you're stealing from.

Like, stealing a gaming rig from a mom-and-pop style PC building/repair shop wouldn't be okay

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Here's the deal: as long as you're not being an asshole about doing any of these things, I'll probably overlook it.

Start acting a fool however, and I'll have the cops come collect you.

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