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[–] [email protected] 80 points 5 months ago

I love how a person that doesn't understand what batteries are thinks they have an informed opinion on solar punk .

[–] [email protected] 77 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Honesty, I'm OK with slowing down and consuming less if it is night and the wind isn't blowing. Lets just use that time for rest, instead of being in hyper production mode all the time.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 5 months ago (1 children)

This line of reasoning is broadly underrated. Sure batteries are a thing, but if a liveable world means regular brown outs, I'm cool with it. The alternative after all is so much worse.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Honestly not even brownouts. I was so hyped for the potential of IOT to let distributed power management be a bigger thing. Throw your laundry in the wash when you have enough and just let the electric company trigger it when they've got excess or low consumption periods to help balance things.

Instead we get unsecure cameras or DDOS botfarms piggybacking "smart" thermostats or fridges that let you tweet.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

Giving the electric company access to turn off my appliances is also a security issue. By all means, let me subscribe to a feed that expresses what the company would like me to do and maybe I'll set up automations to turn stuff on and off from my end, but there's no way in Hell I'd cede control of the switch to an entity outside the premises.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

Yeah but I also get to play Skyrim on my toaster

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The author of this "punk" comment just doesn't know how the real world works! (/s)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

the thing is this isn't even accurate. Energy storage infrastructure in some places is already capable of keeping things running

[–] [email protected] 36 points 5 months ago (2 children)

bruh. "solarpunk" is the most unrealistic and blank genre. its almost like an Al generated. no realism at all, a lack of style. im not even diving into the fact that its most-used visual representation is freaking YOGURT AD. i think that solarpunk even less realistic than steampunk. like imagine just adding several solar panels and maybe a wind turbine to a factory or any building that consumes electricity. the authors of this "punk" just don't know how the real world works (what are you going to do when there's night and no wind?)

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago

It's so bad you wish it was satire

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (2 children)

bruh. 🤦‍♂️ "solar🌞punk" ☀️ is the most unrealistic and 🙄 blank ◻️ genre. its almost like an AI generated 🤖. no realism at all, a lack of style 💃💃. im not even diving into the fact that its most-used visual representation is freaking YOGURT AD🍦🍦🍦. i think that solar🌞punk 🌱 even less realistic than steam💨punk. like imagine 🧠 just adding several solar panels ☀️ and maybe a wind turbine 🌬️ to a factory or any building 🏬 that consumes electricity⚡⚡. the authors🤓 of this "punk" just don't know how the real world 🌎 works (what are you going to do when there's night 🌚 and no wind💨💨💨💨🤣🤣🙂‍↔️?)"

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

It’s beautiful 🥹

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

what are you going to do when there's night and no wind?

Umm...battery?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago

what are you going to do when there’s night

sleep

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago

I diagnose you with capitalism (and the resulting lack of imagination how a better world could look like)

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Kind of off-topic but I always considered solarpunk to be a somewhat wholesome version of a sustainable future. While the rest of "punk" genres are usually "high X, low life".

Is it that solarpunk is rather "punk" in the sense of rebellion against the status-quo, or is it something I'm missing and solarpunk also follows "low life" formula?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That part is actually adressed in the solarpunk manifesto:

The “punk” in Solarpunk is about rebellion, counterculture, post-capitalism, decolonialism and enthusiasm. It is about going in a different direction than the mainstream, which is increasingly going in a scary direction.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Thanks, it was a reassuring read, and that answers my question and some more

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

Imo the "punk" in solarpunk is having any kind of hope for the future, in an otherwise dire world.

Not to say guerilla gardening/grafting isn't inherently solar punk.

It also appears people forgot about the community focused nature of punk. When your set is only 30 minutes how do you fill out a 2 hour show? You have a community of people that play music you like.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

Like traditional punk lifestyles, its just counter-culture as apposed to "low life"

Going against the grain.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

I think the "punk" part is about taking a stance, even against the odds and against the system. As such, it can be both revolutionary, and connecting.

It doesn't matter whether the prospects are good or not. Earlier generations had limited success against the industrial meat grinder, but this time we can do it. Believe in yourself.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Wtf is this? Is this person confusing some sci-fi art style with reality?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

I think so. I mean, I'll agree that a lot of the art tagged as solarpunk is utopian, unactionable, and generally gives a poor first impression of the rest of the genre/movement. The chromed scifi megacities with trees stuck to the sides of skyscrapers are about as attainable as concept art of a flying city or a moon colony. If they never looked past the paintings on deviantart or artstation or whatever they'd probably get a pretty skewed perspective on it.

But I'd say the answer to that is just to make more art that reflects the rest of the movement better since the answers and discussions and real life projects are all happening

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago

Battery punk

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago

It's gotta be a joke, I mean, c'mon, the delivery is right there.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago

solar advocates when nighttime: 🫨

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Apparently this doofus hasn't heard of batteries or they are commenting in bad faith and know about batteries

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

Most definitely bad faith considering you can just Google how solar farms keep electricity.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Dude do you even know how expensive those are? You have to pay five bucks for a ten pack of AAs. How long do you think those will power your fridge?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

buying non-rechargeable 🤢 I guess if you're going for apples to apples with fossil fuels this is a good comparison

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

"Solar"punks when it's nighttime (they revert to fossil fuels 😔) \s

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

Solar punks with windmills, smh.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

They have played us for absolute fools

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago
[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

Bro is mad that the new genre doesn't have a lot of visual representation

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Cam you post original link? I'd love to reply with images of factories with wind turbines and solar panels.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It's on YouTube

Edit: if I'm being honest this is the second upload because I didn't want people bullying the kid on you tube.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I've literally seen tumblr rip apart that ad but go off i guess

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah that cartoon is a bit much

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Dunno, this version with the trademark edited away looked very nice to me the first time, and this time as I rewatch it it looks as good as the last time. And I can totally relate to "#I fucking love this #I love solarpunk so fucking much #anything that gives me a scrap of hope I treat like gold":

screenshot with text: #listen #i fucking love this #i love solarpunk so fucking much #anything that gives me a scrap of hope i treat like gold #but #this is a commercial for oat milk #like a thousand percent an oat milk commercial #and every mention of oat milk has been carefully edited out #and i don't know if op edited out the oat milk #or if the animation studio went 'hey this is good actually'#hey doug can you make a copy without the oat milk on screen' #we want to show this off without the oat milk' #for reasons

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

I believe 'hope' is most missed facet of solarpunk.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

If ads are coping our movement that means they agree there's something to it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Meanwhile the world still building wind solar battery faster than ever...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I do agree that Solarpunk as a genre is extremely nascent. There's barely anything which could really constitute Solarpunk, much less something cohesive.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Idk solar panels, gardening and in general making due with what you have. I have electricians, botanist, and dyi enthusiasts. That's such a wide net alone I can't think of another subculture that gathers these groups and I'm only limiting myself to three.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

This knucklehead gives bad AI a run for its money on the idiocy & poorly cobbled dis