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Good thing we (the US) lost the war, or this lady would probably have her own team of lobbyists running their country.

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[-] [email protected] 123 points 3 months ago

The death penalty is always wrong.
Murder is not a punishment and once you've stripped her of her ill-got gains there is no longer any reason to kill her.

[-] [email protected] 49 points 3 months ago

I hear you but if I’m honest, and tomorrow America announced it was going to execute every billionaire, I’m not going to put up too much of a protest.

[-] [email protected] 37 points 3 months ago

Take the money, sure. Then they're no longer billionaires and there's no need to kill them.

[-] [email protected] 57 points 3 months ago

In other words, you don’t murder disarmed prisoners of war.

During class war they are the enemy and deserve what comes to them. If taken alive and their weapon of war removed, they don’t need to be dealt with the same way.

Once they are no longer a threat you can work on rehabilitation and restitution.

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[-] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago

The way these people affect so many lives negatively with their fraud is much worse than a person committing murder.

The literal misery they cause to so many people for their own benefit without a fucking iota of shame and their sociopathic behavior is enough to consider eliminating them from society.

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[-] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago

I disagree. I don't subscribe to a world view where every life is sacred. Society has a right to protect itself from persons that will always endanger other people and that includes killing them. However, it has been quite clear that we cannot guarantee that no innocent people are killed. And that's why I'm OK with the death penalty only in principle, not in practice.

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[-] [email protected] 83 points 3 months ago

While celebrating a billionaire getting their just desserts is always fun, not really sure that this is a reflection of the decency of the Vietnamese government.

[-] [email protected] 35 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Since there's no rational hope of addressing the other 3k or so billionaire parasites on Earth without building a really big Titanic wreckage tour sub and making little paths of stock certificates leading to it like reese's pieces in ET, I'll take whatever incidental vicarious revenge against humanity's oppressors I can get.

[-] [email protected] 28 points 3 months ago

I mean, celebrate the revenge, for sure. Just don't mistake it for decency. Vietnam is about as corrupt as India.

[-] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

We're no less corrupt in the US, merely more expensive.

Our cheats just hire lobbyists to make their corrupt practices legal, shout out to Citizens United, and/or hire enough lawyers to make the consequences meaningless, like fining a company that makes billions a year thousands for profitable criminal activity.

Our "solution" to corruption is simply to make it legal for the right price. Donald Trump should have lost his empire and gone to jail for his business practices long before he was a game show host, let alone POTUS, but he learned and inherited enough from daddy to understand how to wield American style corruption, and he's still free.

[-] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

We’re no less corrupt in the US, merely more expensive.

We're very corrupt in the US. That's not the same as being corrupt to the same degree. I... would encourage looking into the relative corruption of countries. We, in the US, are near the bottom of the the list as far as developed countries go (beaten out by only such luminaries as Italy and Greece), but we aren't even close to as bad as it can get. We're just more aware of our own corruption than of other countries. I mean, we are Americans. We're barely aware of the existence of other countries, much less their corruption.

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[-] [email protected] 57 points 3 months ago

Since when is it leftist to support the death penalty, let alone take glee in it. This is like the boomer FB shit

[-] [email protected] 55 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I'm against the death penalty in general, but I also acknowledge that in terms of tangible damage to humanity, any billionaire walking the Earth makes any serial killer who has ever walked the Earth seem positively quaint by scale.

I also recognize that we are living under class occupation. The owner class handily won the class war by convincing most of the developed world not to fight it half a century ago.

The peasants don't have the luxury of taking prisoners. We are the losers of a war, in spite of the fact that many have come to worship their occupying oppressors.

Keeping the most destructive humans locked away and well fed until they die of natural causes is a peacetime luxury for those in charge, and unless you're holding a reprehensible amount of capital, that isn't us. You might believe we are in peacetime, but if we refuse to stop them, and it looks that way, they will force our shared, communal habitat to stop us all through their insatiable, sociopathic avarice.

We love to think we're not, but we're still subjects wholly dependant on this world, even the owners activily attacking us and it simultaneously.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago

well fucking said.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

The French revolution shows that the guilotines don't necessarily stop when the aristocrats are all dead. I'm not enthusiastic about mob justice

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[-] [email protected] 28 points 3 months ago

1789

It is perfectly reasonable to oppose the death penalty, but the foundational event of the modern left movement was people chopping off a king's head.

[-] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago

I'm against the death penalty on the grounds that I don't want the government to have the authority to kill because they keep fucking it up. Either they get the wrong person or botch the execution.

There's no question that a person is a billionaire.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago

Since you can't make a revolution with white gloves.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The term "leftist" is too broad and "death penalty" too loosely defined.

Auth-leftists definitely support the death penalty, as in a powerful state should have authority to kill.

Anarchists don't think there should be a state therefore there is no body authorized to kill. If someone must die, it would be at the hands of an individual or an ad-hoc grouping and be called "self-defense".

Thinking things can change without the 0.1% being killed at all is a liberal idea.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

This is like the boomer FB shit

Welcome to Lemmy!

[-] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

billionaires aren't people. their existence requires a river of blood, and they all deserve death, regardless of the states opinion.

I think its good to remind them they can be killed. I think they forget.

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[-] [email protected] 52 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Interesting if you read about it, while many were found guilty I think only a woman is being sentences to death while many men are just getting a decade in prison for their involvement in it.

If she was the ringleader, sure... I guess (not that it makes the state's murdering of folks alright). But odd that she gets death while all the men don't even get 20 in jail.

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[-] [email protected] 50 points 3 months ago

I don't think we should have billionaires but celebrating state sponsored murder is fucking gross

[-] [email protected] 27 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)
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[-] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

But that's the only murder that's socially acceptable!

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[-] [email protected] 41 points 3 months ago

“We” isn’t this the case of other billionaires getting mad at one billionaire?

[-] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

Maybe we can trigger a feeding frenzy...

[-] [email protected] 27 points 3 months ago

Not a fan of the death penalty

[-] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

Me neither, but killing some of the capitalist class has always been part of leftist revolutions so I can let this one slide.

[-] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago

I don't think the state having the power to round people up and kill them, even if I don't like the people it is being done to. It seems really dangerous.

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[-] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago

I mean, Vietnam is a Socialist Oriented Market Economy.

86% of Vietnamese people own their own homes, 70% are farmers because the government will allocate farm land to anyone who proves they can raise crops.

[-] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago

Pretty impressive stats you got there, considering that 27.2% of Vietnamese people are under 18 years old.

Source

[-] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago

Such a young age to own a home!

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[-] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

And remember kids, 73% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

Gotta serve those numbers with some sauce

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[-] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago

Wake me up when Trump sees even just a shred of accountability, or Musk, or Bezos, or ....

[-] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago

Also how does it get to 12.5 billion before people do something? Had they intervened with something less severe at 1 billion then there would still be 11.5 billion and a life not lost.

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[-] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago

She stole 12.5 billion dollars?!

Jesus Christ. How much is enough?

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[-] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

That's typical communist competitor purges, it has nothing to o with redistribution of wealth.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

This is the correct answer. It's not the kind of revolution people are thinking, like with France.

This is more like Stalin level shit to send a message.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

What will the method of execution be? A guillotine seems fitting.

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[-] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

I have neither the emotional nor mental bandwidth to read up on this, too stressed being poor. Does anything say what is happening to the money?

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[-] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

According to my quick Google search, there are about 100 million people in Vietnam. The average wage is $150 per month. $12.5B shared among each person is $125.

Why not make her pay that amount instead of a death sentence?

[-] [email protected] 29 points 3 months ago

That's actually what their "death penalty" is trying to do. Apparently most of the money she stole is in overseas bank accounts and relies on her taking action to actually give it back. She has appeals and if she paid up the appeals will probably back down from the death penalty.

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