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With Threads/Meta heading for the fediverse, and Tumblr looking at ActivityPub, how would you feel if Reddit decided to add support and federate Kbin & Lemmy?

Is it even possible?

If so is it likely it even inevitable?

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's not what Reddit is anymore, maybe if this idea was proposed 10 years ago they'd consider it, but it's just not an open space anymore.

Would be cool though

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago

They've just killed off third-party apps no way they'd do this as it just completely undos what they're trying to achieve + allows users with accounts they don't even own

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm in the defederate-with-all-corporations camp. I perceive the goal to be maintaining our own independent identity here as much as possible until our independent Fediverse userbase gets into the millions, at which point we will be large enough to maintain relevance even in the face of heavy-handed competition.

It is theoretically possible for them to go ActivityPub, but I rather doubt they will any time soon. Their strategy towards us so far seems to be to pretend we don't exist, which isn't working terribly well so far, but they're invested I guess...?

I expect Zuck to be a little more planned in his dealing with us. Us growing doesn't hurt him, so long as it doesn't happen at his expense. If it does, either some marketing and algorithm tweaks could fix that. If we grow too large and become potentially able to compete with him, he can always purchase individual large Instances from their owners. That is neither illegal nor even unethical.

edit: Forgot this was about reddit at the end there. I think they're going to slowly dwindle, unless they get someone more visionary in there.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Don't federate with corporations that habitually collect your data to use it against you. Reddit, Meta, Google, doesn't matter.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Reddit thinks its super valuable asset is the lump of data (about 2TB) consisting of archived text that users have posted. They want to sell it for AI training. Meta is more about surveillance, so different incentives. Of course the Reddit archive through 2022(?) is already downloadable via the PushShift torrent, oops.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I suspect the weird recurring memes that require decade old knowledge of the platform to fully understand is going to create some "quirky" AI hallucinations

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe what they really want to sell is more like the Twitter firehose feed, for real-time sentiment analysis and market predictions. I'm not happy that Lemmy gives that out at all, but I don't see a good way to prevent it. I think interesting communities will eventually have to go private.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Giving it out free devalues those trying to profit from the same product. And if it's free, open source platforms can benefit too.

My I'm feeling optimistic tonight.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

This would basically mean adding back support for 3rd party apps. Not directly but still. So it won't happen

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Those making decisions about this will not approve of this as there is no immediate business benefit to be seen.

Reddit in 2023 is different that the one it was built upon once upon a time. And fuck u/spez

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If Meta does end up Federating, then Reddit would potentially be able to gain 100M (or whatever the latest crazy numbers are) potential viewers of ads disguised as content. That's a lot of eyeballs to try and make money off of!

For the Lemmy/KBin side, being able to potentially monetize the people that specifically left your shitty platform has to look somewhat appealing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I'd hope most instances would defederate with them.

exploding-heads obviously wouldn't. Kindred spirits.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

@seacocker Anything is possible

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It's possible but it'd be a substantial time and cost investment on their part.

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