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Old person traits (pawb.social)
submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 
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[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Agree completely with the first 3, but my young person/introvert trait is that I think I should be able to get anything, including paying my bills, to work without having to talk to someone on the phone like I'm my boomer dad.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Unfortunately now it seems to be the worst of both worlds: companies don’t have a contact email, but only a phone number and sometimes a useless chat bot. When I finally work up the courage to use the phone, I have to go through a long automated menu system, and/or wait for half an hour.

Once I actually get a human on the phone it’s never as bad as my mind made it out to be -but I would still very much prefer an email.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Also in a lot of cases it's simply a waste of an employee's time to answer basic questions on the phone all day long. Robots should be able to do that better. But I do agree that customers should be trapped on hold for 30 minutes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

But I do agree that customers should be trapped on hold for 30 minutes.

..You've worked in customer service, haven't you? 😛

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

My old person trait is that i keep butterscotch in my pockets in case grandchildren stop by.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

I don't have any old person traits! Now get off my lawn, damn kids!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

None of these are actually old person traits. These are just things that should be happening automatically.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

That's exactly what an old person would say!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

my old person trait is that I think I should be able to afford college, a car, and a home, on a part time job, like our grandparents could.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Cars should have buttons and knobs. Not complicated menus and touchscreens. That’s not a “I don’t like change” thing, it’s a safety thing.

Hell yes I should own it if I pay for it.

Event tickets shouldn’t cost a month’s pay or more, fuck middleman businesses that do nothing except price gouge you as a “service.”

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Exactly, I've railed on this exact topic.

a screen offers no tactile feedback.

You can learn what buttons feel like, and where they are (and the same for knobs) so yo ucan operate your vehicle without having to take your eyes off the road.

Tablets are sleek and shiny, and fundamentally horrible as a car interface.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

I don’t necessarily have an issue with the screens. The problems are:

Commonly accessed features like choosing a media source, setting environmental controls, or even lighting, are buried several “clicks” deep. These need to be surface-level and need zero distraction from driving to interact with.

The “touch” part of touch-screen often sucks. Every car I’ve driven with touch interface requires too long of a press and/or doesn’t pick up the press. So you have to look away from driving to repeatedly mash a touch control. That’s not safe.

The touch area is often too small, such as arrow buttons to raise or lower volume, skip a song, or change temperature. Not only do they not register the touch, they’re too small. Double whammy for distraction.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

My old person trait is that UI shouldn't change unexpectedly when you are trying to click or touch something.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

it should not change unexpectedly, period.

I don't want to install an update and have the ui completely change on me because some dev wanted to pad out his resume by starting a new project on the fresh-framework-of-the-day.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Of course it shouldn't, that's one of the core principles of UI design, but these days it does anyway so it is an old person trait now

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

My old person trait is a belief that anyone that works full time should be able to aspire to own their own home, support their wife and kids and still have a little left over to save at the end of the month.

Edit: It kind of sucks that I wrote a comment about making work pay like it used to and people are arguing about whether I'm a mysoganist that wants women back in the kitchen. (I'm not, I'm happy for women to work as much as they want too, it'd just be nice for double income homes to be doing it out of choice and thriving because of it, rather than having to do it out of necessity.)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (3 children)

So your old person trait is really that "wife stay at home with the kids" should be the norm?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It should be an option.

Dad works, and mum stays at home to focus on the home and kids. ✔️

Mum works and dad stays at home to focus on the home and kids. ✔️

Both work part time to both spend quality time with the kids. ✔️✔️✔️

All should be completely viable for an average income couple.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This. As a working woman I can't really upvote the "I wanna support wife and kids" stuff. Thanks, but I want to work.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I understand it from the women's point of view and I didn't mean to be mysoganistic in any form, but it is in the DNA of men to want to be a good provider and I think, if you're being honest, that many women look for that as an attractive trait in a male partner.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I understand that you weren't trying to be mysoginistic, but I am disagreeing with your premise that the provider role for men & women wanting it is some kind of natural state. These roles have been enforced, and can be unlearnt. It's also not binary. It may well be that in a perfect world without any societal pressure, more men than women want to provide. But how many? Having a higher probability doesn't imply that it's deterministic for all people.

The only biological aspect I agree with is that being pregnant changes women, because this is backed by studies.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

I respect your opinion and thank you for tackling my point of view head on, rather than just picking the bones out of semantics the way that some others in this thread have.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

How the hell did you come to that conclusion?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

"support their wife and kids" is right there in plain text.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Yes, shortly after "be able to."

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

The fact that one working man could support his whole family just a few decades ago didn't mean women shouldn't, couldn't or didn't work, just that they didn't have to.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Women worked fulltime, just unpaid. This is always forgotten. Household with multiple kids is not free time.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I didn’t mean to be mysoganistic in any form, but it is in the DNA of men to want to be a good provider

Yeah but you said this so...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

That's a fact, not an opinion that implies contempt, prejudice or a hatred of women.

You can try to deny millions of years of evolution if you want.

People don't like to admit it, but despite all the advantages of our modern society, our DNA is essentially unchanged from when we were all cavemen.

If you were a cave woman and you had the option of two cavemen who are essentially identical except for that one makes a successful hunt everyday and the other only makes a successful hunt every week. Who would you choose to help you raise a family? And vice versa, if you were the caveman and you knew that women were selective of men based upon who can provide well for the raising of children, would you want to be making a successful hunt daily, or weekly?

We can cry about how unfair it is, but the vast majority of women today, whether they want to admit it or not, absolutely consider economic status as something to weigh up when selecting a partner, men do also consider this, but not nearly to the same extent. Please don't misinterpret anything I'm saying here as resentful or hateful, it's not it's life, you can choose not to accept this, but it doesn't change the facts.

Inb4, yh but we're not cavemen any more. I've already addressed that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Anthropologists challenge the traditional view of men as hunters and women as gatherers in prehistoric times. Their research reveals evidence of gender equality in roles and suggests that women were physically capable of hunting. The study sheds light on the gender bias in past research and calls for a more nuanced understanding of prehistoric gender roles.

Lacy and her colleague Cara Ocobock from the University of Notre Dame examined the division of labor according to sex during the Paleolithic era, approximately 2.5 million to 12,000 years ago. Through a review of current archaeological evidence and literature, they found little evidence to support the idea that roles were assigned specifically to each sex. The team also looked at female physiology and found that women were not only physically capable of being hunters, but that there is little evidence to support that they were not hunting.

Micdrop.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

My old person trait is that I think people should understand the technology they use in order to be allowed to use it

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

To what degree? I know how to plug inputs into my tv and turn it on, I have no idea how the TV actually works. I know how to flip a light switch, I don't understand how to wire a house.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Fair. I think to the extent of "if you use a web browser you have to know what HTTP is". Not really how it works, just being conscious of the technology in use.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

But how does my IE chromes the google bing?