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I noticed similar sentiments to this before; why are some Turkish people kissing up to Europeans like this?

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

It's classic "plz stop being racist to me when you have these worse people you can focus on." Turks are treated very poorly by Germans, where there is a sizable ethnic Turkish population. It's like when a conservative Latino in the US has some shit to say about illegal immigrants from Africa.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 7 months ago (2 children)

So, the same exact energy of gay people shitting on trans people?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 months ago

Divide and conquer

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

pretty much, or trans enbyphobia, etc.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

It is the most pathetic shit I've ever seen ngl. Holy fuck the internalized racism is disgusting

[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

why are some Turkish people kissing up to Europeans like this?

Something to do with Ottoman Empire brainworms and maybe their reactionaries think they're honorary whites because of Turkey's unique geopolitical position as being in between europe and the middle east?*

*I have no clue myself lol just brainstorming ideas

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Ah, that would certainly explain some of the other weird tweets I've found from some Turkish folks. I recall after the earthquake in Turkey, there was a tweet talking about racist hate mail that a mosque got of someone celebrating the earthquake killing so many people, and a Turkish person responded to clarify that Turks aren't muslims; he seemed only put out by being conflated with being a muslim rather than the racist taking some glee in the deaths of so many Turkish people.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Holy shit, that is the end point of internet white supremacist irony poisoning, Twitter is such a dumpster fire. At least turkey has a ~~city~~ neighborhood where communists kill police and drug dealers if they enter.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Whoops its a neighborhood in Istanbul, not a city, St. BRG covers it at around 11 minutes into this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3yvGPKjFJI

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

I once saw some video where a Turk and a Greek were arguing about which one of them was more Aryan and which one more Jewish

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

The only way to find more insane shit than balkans youtube comments. That's where I found out Bulgaria destroyed the Roman Empire and that its uncouth to store your vodka under the kitchen sink. Amazing shit.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

"please put us in EU bottom-speak"

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

The final decades of the Ottoman Empire have a lot to do with it, but it's more of a feature of the turkish republic's own history. The Balkan Wars meant that the Ottomans went from a multi-confessional empire to an empire with multiple nationalities but one majority faith in one fell swoop. This put the Ottoman elites into a nationalist hyperdrive where they believed that anything less than total unity across their country meant that european powers with many times their population would just continue to do what they had done for a century: slowly partition the empire by encouraging ethnic sectarianism and rebellion. The ethnic cleansing of the balkans and the circassian genocide would eventually fuel the armenian genocide and Turkey's ongoing issue with the kurds.

That paranoia did not end after the Turkish War of Independence. On the contrary, the kemalist state sought to take this country of refugees and mold it into a single nation, to varying results. Turkey is a multi-racial country and the turkish identity is not really ethnocentric. On the other hand, that same state reacted very strongly against the groups which it perceived as a threat. Namely the religious conservative peasantry and the kurds.

The Turkish Republic was a francophile project and a project of top down secularization which was enforced by a series of juntas. The elites behind this project however proved rather brittle. Their wealth and power did not come from industry or land but the state apparatus itself. The kemalist middle classes of half a century ago were the literati elites of a state which, all things considered, is poor in most ever resource. Anatolia is not even good for fishing, not that great for agriculture, and poorer in mineral resources compared to pretty much everyone in the region. In what way Turkey is an industrial middle power today, it is because of state policy and the ability to be a middle man in the world supply chain. And soon enough, that industrial success lead onto the rising middle classes of a religious conservative majority, which entirely displaced the only francophile elites.

This is the fundamental conflict in Turkey today. A fractured opposition, each with their own idea of what kemalism is, and a strong government capable of bridging gaps created by the old juntas - both for good and for ill. That is why you have this demographic of turks who insist they are european for all the wrong reasons: 'no, we aren't like the arabs, no we aren't like the kurds, we like classical music and we believe in laicité!'. It's the same as iranian diasporas who are diehard Pahlavists.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Thank you for your detailed explanation mr. smart catboy sir

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This is a great summary of the geopolitical history of the ottoman empire before the fall. Are you Turkish by any chance?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I'm not turkish, no.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago

I'm sure the refugee's he's thinking about here definitely aren't from certain areas and cultures around the Turkey/Syria/Iraq border.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Make Europeans afraid their kids will get kidnapped and turned into Janissaries again.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

it is NOT kidnapping it is a tax burden, smdh i can't believe the slander still going around about AES (Actually Existing padi-Shahs)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

(Actually Existing padi-Shahs)

Sharpens crysknife

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Turk claims not to shit on the streets, then vomits up a giant turd in the center of a public forum.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

I'm Turk. Eww.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

people still doing the Roma people dirty. a while ago (maybe a year?) Idiscovered a pepper called a g**** pepper in the store. I think I saw that same pepper in the store and now it's called a white chili pepper. progress i guess?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

they're completely spiceless so the new name seems about right

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The word at the end of the meme is a slur, please add a CW.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

It isn't a slur. It's the 'G' in GRT.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'd like to be uncouth and honest:

Imagine having the gift of sapience, the ability to produce art, to gain knowledge through scientific study, having the ability to produce culture. It's an incredible thing to be a human, we have morals and beliefs and we can all create these things because they're a human trait.

Values are a human trait: everyone has them, but like all traits they exist on a diverse continuum. Each culture, group, and individual has different ways to express and identify their values.

The people like the guy in the comment, the way they react to being denigrated and abused. The way they ask why they're on the "bottom", why they're "below" other minorities that they perceive to be less than them. They don't push back against the idea that they're inferior, just against the idea that they're more inferior than others.

The people like the guy in the comment; it's not that they have a different meaning of self-respect or that it's expressed differently from a cultural standpoint.

They just don't have any self-respect; It's honestly the most pathetic thing a human could bear witness to. To see a member of their species just lack an entire trait, it's so unnatural. It's piteous.

I'm not gonna post it because I don't want to get banned; but that whole speech lowtiergod made, the most infamous one.

That is precisely how I feel about people like that. shrek-pixel-despair

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You should unlearn your racism NOW!!!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

You are a priceless, noble soul. Your life is as precious as a winter star. I'm just going to lift you up and you're going to keep rising, I'm going to open all my doors, you're going to keep rising. Why? Because you're drawn to the light. You priceless noble soul.

You're going to stay close to my heart until you ascend. You serve an essential purpose in life. Your purpose in life is to be on my stream, sharing in my success daily. Your purpose in life is to be in that chat, celebrating the victory daily.

Your life is everything, you serve a vital purpose.

You should love yourself, NOW.

And share with others a piece of your joy, your positive energy, that's radiating out so that we can thrive inside this blue paradise globe.

Because why are you here? To support me? Love yourself. I mean that, with a 100%, with a 1000%. I've never seen someone so valuable in my life. I'm totally serious. I've not seen such a more valuable soul, in my life.

If he has kids? Oh my god, Imagine if a soul like that has kids. Like imagine. Imagine if someone like that actually has kids. I would be so happy for his children because the soul is literally serving a significant purpose.

Imagine a father, now we got lots of souls with wives and kids and stuff that support my success daily on the internet. But imagine if this soul actually had children. This soul is dedicating the time he could be spending with his kids, cheering on a black man on stream, supporting him passionately. It's beautiful.

I've never seen someone so dedicated to be seen. Somebody, somebody, somebody's value so precious that they'll come into a wonderful stream, and keep joining in this joy over and over and over and over and over and over again. We keep welcoming you. Soul let me, let me, let's do you a favor.

Let's go to the gift store, let's pick out a crown together. I'm going to give you an assisted rise. Let's pick out a crown together right, and we're going to take all the greatest supportive clips, put a TV screen right in front of you. I'm going to hang that crown on top of the glorious ceiling.

We're going to nurture you. Hold your eyes open. Probably don't need to do that because you're already sharing in my success daily. We're going to hold your eyes open, until you consistently watch clips over and over and over and over and over again. Till you're going to be like "oh this is such a blessing". You're going to start feeling joy, you're going to start feeling excited. Just, your eyes are going to tear up, the retinas are just going to start glowing, glowing with happiness, and the retinas are just going to start sparkling and shining.

Then I'm going to grab that crown and say are you ready? And you're going to say yes and I'm just going to LIFT IT. While you THANK me, THANK me and I mean THANK me for uplifting you. And lift the precious life into your blessed soul.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago