every copy of years

as a participant of DIY music scenes, that is a difficult pill to swallow. on the one hand principled individuals foster a sense of community around what they do with political outreach front and center, things as simple as pamphlets talking about veganism and such at house shows and vfw halls they themselves have organized.

on the other there are way more people who show up because it's something to do on a saturday night.

They tend to wash out after spending their summers day drinking at the show, hitting on all the underaged girls, and can only remember the style of clothing, and never engaging with any of the present political outreach that's ALWAYS THERE. They've only ever been a warm body that paid $5 to make people uncomfortable like the nihilism they cosplay for is about them as individuals instead of a social one that remains present even today. if they know anything about the history, it's idolizing Syd Vicious for some reason.

When they say Punk is dead I tend to agree with them.

punk is about being a contrarian asshole, that's the only requirement. that's why it's good a lot of the time but also contains some massive reactionaries

and i wasn't making a statement about drug use being ipso facto a good thing, simply that the vibes on the people who sincerely say "mr rogers was punk" are not right.

My punk credibility is super high and yup, also it's been an ongoing thing in a very underground capacity for the last 30 years and people's last mainstream touchstone is the 90s. DIY punk has been an ongoing international network that's grown since the 80s and lets bands from Columbia or Russia play anarchist community centers or peoples basements and still make enough to get home and hopefully some pocket change, bands get well fed and drink for free in any town that has its scene together enough to get touring bands. But yeah, there is a pretty deep and historically long rooted international diy punk network and if you're around long enough you can easily contact just about anyone cause everyone is a friend of a friend and being a Rockstar isn't allowed everyone in the audience is also in bands generally, there isn't really a division between bands and Fans and the worship that comes with it. The second singer for Black Flag lives in BC and picked my friends up from the airport on their first tour. He also still has to work a day job. People just really like punk enough to do this work.

plenty of hippies were genuinely decent and plenty of punks are huge pieces of shit. but broadly i think these are trends that can be drawn.

not important to this post though because mr rogers certainly wasn't pretending to be mean at a single point of his public persona (i mean maybe in an episode where someone says "that made me feel bad" and then he apologized or something, but you get it) and therefore isn't punk. cannot fathom a world where i believe he was

some punks were and are assholes. not all of them, but sometimes it is about breaking shit and beating people up and it's not deeper.

So hippies were libs and punks were leftists? Makes total sense.

that's a cool thing to do! not punk though

i hope your joking

I remember being at a festival somewhere at some time. It was a very broad-tent festival.

There were two main stages so acts could alternate - you'd have one stage where an act was playing while the other stage was being prepped by crew so the next act could jump on stage pretty much directly after the previous act, rather than having one main stage that has a lot of downtime between each act.

Björk was on one stage at the time. Love her stuff, really great and she was putting on a good show. But there was a big crowd who were there waiting to see Rage Against The Machine so they weren't interested in Björk which is fine, whatever, not all music caters to every taste and especially not her stuff.

What really left me disgusted though was the Rage crowd booing Björk, not for singing Declare Independence while raising a Tibetan flag (lol), but because they didn't like her music. Lots of people where flipping her off and shit too.

I was just like, man... y'all aren't nearly as countercultural as you think you are. I could play half of that crowd some early stuff in Björk's musical career that they'd probably find tolerable or agreeable, if not particularly likeable, because she started in punk and alternative music - which is pretty obvious if you look closely because she continued to draw on her punk and alternative influences as a solo artist. But also imagine being a big fan of countercultural music and being so openly hostile to music that pushes the boundaries.

"This music is very different and it's not like what I hear on the radio. I don't like it because it's unusual and uncomfortable so I'm going to heckle this artist. I'm countercultural as heck, bro!!"

folk punk is good

QotSA aren't bad, they actually rule

Synthesis: Punk is an art movement

sure, gatekeepers are annoying. but i am going to gatekeep this much: if you say mr rogers is punk i don't wanna hear your opinion on what punk is

Imma punk getekeep this right now. Wearing Misfits merch sets off a poser alarm pretty quick and most punks that are punks and not bearded pbr guys that like Hot Water Music don't give a fuck about the Misfits aside from being a fun novelty act. Most punks haven't heard the cough/cool single cause it kinda sucks. If the kid is a literal kid, then whatever, but it's usually a 40 year old dude who listened to nofx in the 90s and thinking they're hot shit and Fishbone or whatever is more punk than this stupid noise when going to their first diy show in 25 years. Generally speaking if it's someone younger they'll be told of other all ages shows and get absolutely hooked up with merch and if of a reasonable age invited to parties. That's how it's supposed to go, you awkwardly go to a bigger punk band's show at a smaller venue and get your first taste as a early to mid teen and gradually go to more and more underground shows and by the time you're 17 or so you're hanging out with local punks who will get beer for you and get shown a blitz of super cool bands and get invited to cool basement shows or diy squat venues and eventually you're a punk and don't need to do stupid navel gazing about what is or isn't punk.

i have no clue why there are so many comments, i thought everyone would see this go "haha, that's wild. obviously this person is dumb," like the dunk tank is designed for, and instead there's all this