liberals think civil wars are fought over simple ideological disagreements
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liberals think Nazis were simply having a particularly aggressive argument
The battle of Stalingrad was just an especially busy stall in the marketplace of ideas.
"Yeah Stalin was SUPPRESSING the FREEDOM of the Nazis to exterminate Slavs and enact Lebensraum! "
California "leftists" are libs and texas conservatives are libs so I guess that scans. People in this thread forget that liberalism and conservatism ARE just ideological arguments about how to run a bourgeois state and have absolutely nothing to do with a proletarian state.
That said, it's really stupid from a mapbrain perspective because the two states would be economic competitors separated by desert increasingly unable to support human infrastructure.
"I don't know literally anything about politics or ideology or even basic geography, commerce, and military logistics" -- Alex Garland explaining any aspect of his stupid movie
This movie is going to be so unintentionally funny. I'm just imagining all of the incredibly smooth brain things that the reporter main character might say that will cause libs to nod sagely and conservatives to declare the movie woke propaganda.
God’s Not Dead applied to economics
I mean centrists are liberals who are conservatives. American liberals are all about preserving the status quo with incremental change. Sounds pretty conservative to me. American conservatives are more reactionaries because they want to regress society to an era they’re nostalgic over.
All the depth of a puddle of piss.
He’s not wrong. Liberalism and fascism are two sides of the same coin that synergize to protect the capital order.
The left and right in this case is of course relative to the American perspective.
This is what I thought the California - Texas alliance was supposed to represent. A proposal that fascists and neoliberals ultimately have the same worldview, they just differ in terms of aesthetics and in spicy times they'd merge together. Now I realize that despite that Garland wrote Dredd and Ex machina, he's just another goofy Hollywood centrist
I knew this guy's movie was gonna be dogshit the second the trailer brought up the "California and Texas" alliance
I would also question any possibility of a California and Texas Alliance, were it not brokered and achieved by "The American Mandela", Sir Joe Rogan in 2031 during the first hours of the Battle of Chicken Nuggets during the Treat Wars.
It could be an interesting choice to highlight the class unity of the bourgeoisie and that Texas' and California's economic power is far more important than superficial American politics.... but we know it won't be lol
This guy probably hangs out in Austin and LA and was like “wow we are all the same “ not realizing he is just upper class
I love that this blockbuster movie exists and yet we're still supposed to pretend that it's Russian disinformatski that is driving political polarization in the US
You are vladimir putin
We are Putin and Hamas in one
Politics are just ways to get votes, they aren't tied to material realities.
oh this movie is going to be fucking delicious. all you can eat cafe
They're doing Horseshoe Theory but for slightly progressive liberals and bog-standard Republicans
I was huffing a lot of cope about this movie for awhile. Garland directed my all-time favorite movie, Annihilation. I was hoping this one would be better than the marketing team was letting on. Maybe something about the US' extraordinary violence being brought back to the homeland, especially with the PoV of a journalist. Fuck.
Annihilation is based off a good book by Jeff vandermeer though, it seems Civil War is originally written by Garland
Oh for sure, but it's so wildly different in content (while perfectly preserving tone) that I was really impressed by how Garland adapted it. I was hoping some of that skill would transfer to this movie, but I guess he's too trapped in the hegemonic ideology :/
It can still be that, just unintentionally.
Same lol. I would watch it if it had something as a strange and abstract as the ending of Annihilation
Have you read the books that Annihilation is based on? They’re very good if you haven’t
I have, and I agree that they're pretty great. Due for a re-read, now that I think about it
the book makes the movie look like a damn pile of puke
Centrists, in the center of fascism
I really wish I could eternal sunshine of the spotless mind out the internet
Are they allies becauss they both have Wall Street listed energy monopolies whose willful negligence burned towns to the ground and all the politicians are too bribed to do fuck all about it?
If the two sides resolve their differences and cease to be "good" and "bad" in the kayfabe all the political energy of "good" will escape to the only alternatives waiting in the wings. Anarchism mostly, because US political brainworms making it an easier pill for the average american to swallow as a result of red scare propaganda.
Let them do centrism. See how it works out for them all.
I've already seen some articles claiming its a "masterpiece" and as much as I enjoy Garlund, this is going to be a fuckin turd on a stick
Actually, he is right - but of course speaking from a lib's perspective. He sees those two factions of the bourgeois state and decries that they're fighting - after all, they should not and have the state run efficiently in whatever it is doing right now.
Left and Right for the most part also seek to maintain the state as is right now - not abolish it in favor of a proletarian one. Internationalism, socialism, etc., both the state and him do not want that and would fight if the working class organized in that direction. He wants the two sides of liberalism to come together into one, as a nationalistic whole (and indeed, if push comes to shove and the current partisan conflict in the US escalates, he probably will pick the stronger side, favor the one he views as more likely to keep the bourgeois state alive, and repress the other one for being traitors etc.). As usual, the seed of fascism being already present in liberal worldviews.
Smart, but of course not to the advantage of the communist movement.
This is going to be even dumber than those anti-vax christian films that came out during the pandemic
US of KKK
GOOD SHIT