chapotraphouse

I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to 'order' than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice

The reason that libs annoy me so much is because they think they know what's best for me. Conservatives don't give a shit about what's best for me and they aren't afraid to tell me. They want what's best for them and who cares about me. That's easy to understand and easy to just ignore.

But the libs. The libs pretend they want what's best for me. They don't want to listen to me say what's best for me though they want to tell me, prescriptively, what's best for me without having any context by which they could have any clue what's best for me. They just "know" it because they have a PhD or it's common sense or they read about it in the Atlantic or whatever the fuck things libs do. They never want to listen to what the people who the claim to want to help actually say will help them. It's maddening.

Libs, on the other hand, are just in an indefinite cycle of spouting bad takes that enable oppression, but due to ignorance, they think they're actively helping fight against it.

god I just remembered the kneeling with cops "protests" from Liberals during the actual George Floyd riots in 2020

Youre probably around liberals more often than chuds tbf

Because conservatives will say shit like "I don't hate black people I have a black friend." It's abhorrent racist bullshit but it's vaguely honest even though their clumsy line about an exception here or there is probably a lie. Having a bad lie is just a scenic way to telling the truth.

Liberals will say shit like "I don't hate poor people I have a friend that used to be poor." It's that subtle twist that makes your skin crawl.

If you invite two friends to your party and one says "I'm not coming" and the other says "I'm just running late" but never shows up which of the two disappointed you the most?

Yeah when I was radicalized I reached a point where I had to stop listening to NPR because I would yell at the radio while I was driving. Never reached that point with chud talk radio, I just stopped listening because I eventually realized there was no point. It didn't make me viscerally angry the way the ostensibly nuanced liberals did.

I just watched a video basically saying this from "Second Thought", calling American liberals "The most dangerous thing in the western hemisphere". https://youtu.be/33p-8QHZpzY?si=uWb0rns_wiWD-Nqs

But for me, yeah, it's like, I know what to expect from conservatives and don't give their words a whole lot of weight, but when people you think are your allies spout horrible stuff, that just hurts more.

Conservatives seem to be more overt in their political positions and when they have false beliefs that back up their political positions, it usually isn't wrapped up in smug condescension where they expect you to immediately fall in line and admire how moral their position is. There's just much less pretense and hypocrisy with conservatives imo.

A conservative will hate trans people because they don't like queers and some will even outright say as much. Others will do the whole "protect the children" schtick.

But a progressive will tell you that they support trans people while posting that genderqueer-coded Putin in makeup image without a moment's reflection and if you ask what Biden has done to actively protect the rights of trans people, they'll go on a spiel about how Trump is worse and the Democrats would have done something if only they held a majority in the government and if only they actually bothered to fucking appoint Supreme Court judges when they had the opportunity to (including putting RBG out to pasture before she kicked the bucket).

Progressives have a huge entitlement complex and they feel like they're entitled to your vote, your admiration, your support, and your recognition of their moral superiority.

They give me the ick.

I'd rather deal with someone who just outright says that they hate migrants from South America rather than people who start personally attacking me and making accusations and excuses and tortured ideological justifications for why Trump's concentration camps at the border were detestable but Biden's ones are totally permissible.

I'd rather deal with a person who says "I hate you and everything you stand for - I am in opposition to you" while they fuck me over than I would a person who tries to pretend that they're my friend, that they're doing the right thing, and that they aren't fucking me over while they fuck me over. And worse still is they aren't just pretending that, they actively try and convince me of it and they get outraged at me if I don't buy into it.

Progressives, except for the ones who are verging on becoming baby leftists, are really fucking sleazy imo.

It's worse because of the insidious nature of liberals, danger unknown is worse than danger known

To quote famous socialist philosopher Riddick "It's always the punch you don't see coming that puts you down"

For me they've always been more annoying.

Conservatives can be mask-off hateful and make it easy to hate them back. Liberals lean heavily into their attempted guilt trips and the presumption of being on the side of oppressed people while doing everything they can to support the major oppressive systems.

We hate them for the same reasons the chuds do— they’re hypocritical, smug, condescending, and firmly in the pockets of capital. They are the enemy.

I agree with others in this thread, although I think it's worth noting that conservatives and socialists don't have much reason at all to interact with each other. What is the point?

Liberals at least pretend to be progressive, and we call them out on their bullshit and then they get mad, and so on.

Plus, a lot of the "more extreme" (by lib standards) communities on Reddit for example have been purged (us included) and they mostly interact with each other for the more part (like on hexbear, or in the case of the right on patriots dot win)

So all that being said, of course libs annoy us more, they are the primary shitheads who we interact with in social spaces both online and off.

I think for many of us, part of why they’re so annoying is because once upon a time we were them.

People who are evil and open about it are less annoying than people who are evil but affix a self-righteous mask to their hideous face

It really depends on if you mean liberal establishment, or the ordinary level of liberalism that exists in all members of our society, of which most politically uneducated people are going to be "libs" perjoratively, but not libs generally. At some point or another, the majority does have to be engaged. :/

The establishment (the state?) is super fucking annoying and smug and seems to be unable to reckon with any critique. I've noticed they only respond to people who insult them with "ah, an ad hominem I see" and never the longer more conversational/academic responses.

Don't feel bad, they hate us more than fascists so it balances out.

Both equally bad because they're both liberals that love licking the boots of capital and imperialism.

I propose a middle ground and posit that self declared centrists/"apolitical" are the most annoying. Centrists have all of the mask off bigotry of the more open chuds with all of the gaslighting that they're not racist as the demonrat radlib types.

I know it gets invoked a lot, but MLK Jr.'s quote on white moderates is just as relevant as ever when it comes to the ideological divide between libs and chuds.

"Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection."

I fucking hate em so much

Right there with you. Liberals are liars. I hear em talking and i get ptsd cuz they sound like every upper middle manager that brought "the team" together to tell us how the company didn't make enough to give us raises this year. That fucking smile. That fucking tone.

I hate em

it comes and goes. I tend to hate the ones I have to deal with and are exposed to most often. At various points in my life that has been liberals, at other points it's conservatives. They're all shitty though.

"I support trans rights, but they shouldn't play sports with women"

A right wing conservative is like a moustache-twirling villain tying damsels to the train tracks while cackling. They're out there in the open.

A "progressive" liberal is like a

spoiler

serial child rapist

sociopath who expertly wears a mask of respectability to integrate himself to be one of the most trusted members of society. He runs the charity at the children's hospital and all the parents love him and if he ever gets found out everyone will just be shocked because he seemed like such a caring, genuine person

This is very similar to a behavioral pattern dogs exhibit called barrier frustration.

Say a dog really wants to go meet another dog, but it is on a leash and so can't reach the dog to go say hi. The dog will often act with what might look like aggression: barking, straining at the leash, etc. But it is actually not being aggressive toward the dog. It is frustrated by the leash preventing it from getting there. The dog doesn't act aggressively toward the person holding the leash either. It just rages aimlessly against its tether.

You see what I'm getting at? We're often more mad at the leash that stops us from getting what we want than we are at the one holding it. Liberals act as an extension of the right by keeping Leftists from their goals, but we should still remember that the right itself is the primary enemy and Liberals, ultimately, are more concerned with maintaining the status quo than they are about upholding any particular set of beliefs.

Liberals love liberalism. Conservatives hate liberalism. So in that narrow view we have more to talk about with one group than the other.

Libs more annoying than conservatives? You mean 'progressive' pro-west libs more annoying than con pro-west libs ('right-libertarians')?

Indeed...

When all their reformist progressive dribble runs out, they're merely just a liberal that wants to merely reform the status quo, and you feel betrayed when this veil is removed off them....

But as @[email protected] said, centrists are more annoying...

Republicans tie you down to the track. Democrats lie on the track and criticize you for squirming, trying to untie the ropes, because they believe someone will rescue the damsel in distress

but racism and transphobia from libs now seems significantly more abhorrent.

The tyranny of low expectations...