Is it Hangouts, I mean Duo, I mean Meet?
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Voice, Chat, and Talk?
Wave?
Meet or Meet (original)?
No, you're thinking of Teams classic (work or school)
- Exchange 2000 Conferencing
- Windows Messenger 5.0 (Live Communications Server 2003)
- Windows Messenger 5.1 and Microsoft Office Communicator 2005 (Live Communications Server 2005)
- Office Communicator 2007
- Office Communicator 2007 R2
- Lync 2010
- Lync 2013
- Skype for Businesses 2015
- Skype for Businesses 2016
- Skype for Businesses 2019
- Skype for Business for Microsoft 365
Thanks Wikipedia, no way I could have remembered them all. Although I feel like Lync 2010 might be Lync for Business 2010?
If you think that's bad, try following the current name of an enterprise Office subscription you bought fifteen years ago. I think Microsoft intentionally renames those every two years just to make sure every permutation of [Office, 365, Professional, Microsoft, Business] is used at least once to describe the same product.
I don't think Lync was ever sold as "for business", the "for business" part came when Microsoft renamed it to "Skype for business".
In before this feature is discontinued by Google.
Why bother with Google apps, since they'll just discontinue them.
Seriously. Fuck them. I want over a gazillion Google chat apps. Now I just use Beeper & Matrix.
It's honestly amazing that we had GPRS video calls in the late 2000s but still don't have them in the era of the smartphone. And a company like Google keeps reinventing messaging which was a solved problem in the early 2000s.
Google was positioned to make Hangouts the dominant messaging and video call app, then just... stopped. I'm kind of glad that's not an area dominated by Google, but I find the decision really bizarre.
There's ViLTE to provide exactly that. I don't know of many (any) carriers that offer it, though. Maybe in some business use cases?
One reason not to use it: there's basically no encryption on any of it. Your carrier, government, and anyone who can get into the network can listen and watch along, just like they can with any voice call, unlike any modern messenger and mobile video calling apps. Hell, even Telegram has decent encryption for their video calls and they can't even encrypt their group chats.
It's honestly amazing that we had GPRS video calls in the late 2000s but still don't have them in the era of the smartphone
Not really.
There plenty of resources if you want to video call. WhatsApp, TG, Signal or even (lol) Skype, have videocalls.
It's just that why would you?
Most calls you definitely don't need video, and often it'd be a downright negative thing. You need to look at the screen and look presentable, as opposed to being able to do things while on the phone.
The reason videocalls aren't more popular is the same exact reason Google Glass isn't.
Well, yeah, no shit. Apps had to replace what was a native phone functionality. But it's still true we lost something. You need a data plan to make video calls while before you could have just your minutes. Of course, it's rare that someone has no data plan but still. Phone calls are still useful even if you mostly to calls via apps.
"What was a native phone functionality"
I've always had video calls on my native messenger since they became a thing.
They've never "gone" anywhere.
I'm from Finland, where Nokia is from. Mobile phone usage was higher here than pretty much anywhere since the 90's. The later Nokias had video calls, but as you say, they wouldn't have gone on the data plan, but charged as minutes (but not normal minutes, just like MMS was more expensive than std SMS).
The apps became more popular exactly for that reason; everything was on your data (which is unlimited), and not charged as SMS or minutes. A lot of the people I know don't even do regular phone calls anymore, just using WhatsApp to call.
So yeah, no-one just used videocalls. What's the point?
WCDMA, (384kbps/384kbps) but yeah. The standard is still in the 3GPP spec too. Phones could be using it now if carriers and handset manufacturers (mostly crApple) just reimplemented it.
And of course it could have improved over time. I guess moving to a more versatile protocol (Internet) was inevitable.
Eh, if it's only on pixel phones, it won't be used. We need an open standard that can be used for PCs and phones alike. Telegram already has this feature for desktop/mobile/tablet and it works across OSs. Google and Apple need to catch the hell up.
Google used to have google meets but... It sucked
Or actually I think they still do have it. It just sucks.
Duo was so much better than Meet. What a backwards move.
Ah man I remember I actually used to use duo. What a shame.
What a ~~backwards~~ Google move seems more accurate with their track record.
Mobile networks already have a standard for video over LTE. Unfortunately, nobody seems to have bothered to implement it, at least not on the carrier side.
If you're willing to accept massive amounts of spam when the slightest level of adoption takes place, XMPP and Matrix will also work. Anything that can set up a SIP session, can arrange a video call. Hell, if you have a SIP soft phone running on your device with the port exposed (or forwarded, if you're still on IPv4, but then you also need to set up specific ports for each device), anyone can call you at @, you don't even need a third party if you know those two bits of information!
Getting E2EE enabled will be harder. Not leaking your IP address by simply being called even more so, unless a megacorporation (like Google) or a billionaire with too much money (like Telegram) offer to pay for the bandwidth of their users.
Hangout was good.
Duo was perfect for this.I really miss Duo.
Meet was a great app. It really did what it was designed to do.
Wait hold on its gone? I didn't really like it other than being the only decently easy cross platform video call app. But I just made a comment thinking it still existed.
I was joking 🙃
I feel like I'm losing my mind - I thought the Google phone app had already had this feature for years. I could have sworn that when I tried to make a call, it offered video as well as audio. And yet it's not there now. Weird.
That's weird. Mine still does. If I click on a favorite, it pulls up their number and options to call or video.
Edit: It may be a pixel only feature going by some other posts in this thread
The Galaxy phone/contacts app literally has Google Duo/Meet/WhateverItsNameIsNow as one of the four main options, for each contact along with call, text, and info.
How can Google not figure this shit out with their endless rebrands and new product launches.
Bizarre. I'm on Pixel 6P, so it can't just be that, unless it's a feature only on later Pixels. So weird! 😀
We have had it for years, in various forms. It lives in Google Messages now 🤷🤦
Ah, so it is. Odd place for it. I wonder when (or even if) it switched.
Very recently. I noticed because there's an orange notification dot trying to get me to install Meet.
yeah, I really don't need this in my life.
How will this affect the "carrier video calling" feature already in dialer?
Are we just using Google Meet now? Or will there be two options.
I've used carrier video calling before, the option appears when I call my wife. We both have Verizon, though, and I've never checked if I can do that with other people
You mean Hangouts?
Oh wait no I mean Duo.
No wait I actually mean Google Meet.
Honestly don't give a damn about this because I'm not investing in yet another Google service to be killed off in 3 months to 3 years.
I just want it to be compatible to Facetime so pressing the video call button doesn't just bug my sister to download meet
you better write Apple then to open the Spec.
Or the EU to classify Facetime as a Gatekeeper-Service
Or the EU to classify Facetime as a Gatekeeper-Service
Why would the EU do that? Nobody uses that shit over here.
Well, it's somewhat popular in my Family for Video Chats.
I guess the Reason it's not as popular as in the US is because we don't tend to do VideoCalls as often and for normal Calls we use Signal or Whatsapp.
Wouldn't it be nice to have interoperable standards?
But who would want to use their phone app, given privacy concerns?
https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/21/google_messages_gdpr/
I'm the only Android user in my family. We use Signal for messaging and video calls. Anything Google implements is not likely to be cross platform anyway.
i love facetimes switch from phone to facetime so it would be great if meet could do the same thing